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So We Need A Trainer...

Discussion in 'Doberman Puppies' started by MelonJ, Aug 30, 2019.

  1. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    Hey guys,

    Just need to vent...

    Crate training is still not going well. At this point I WISH we only had to deal with whining in the crate. DeSoto’s whining has turned into full out screaming, barking, howling, and scratching and digging at the crate when he’s put in there during the day. We ignore, and we don’t fail to ignore either. It just does not work. Again, this only happens when we’re home, but especially in the kitchen. Every sound triggers him. The faucet, the fridge or freezer, opening a peanut butter jar, ripping a paper towel, opening the sliding glass door, etc. Even just walking into the kitchen.


    This morning he was out for a good hour: did some training, played a bit, fed him, put him in the crate when he wanted to relax on his bed. All hell broke loose when I walked away to start making the girls’ breakfast and do some laundry. On and off for 30-45 minutes again. 15 minutes in, I covered the crate with a blanket hoping the lack of view would calm him, he calmed then went berserk at the next trigger noise. I am so discouraged and heartbroken feeling so guilty at how much this is affecting my wanting to even be around him. We’re desperate for a solution. He’s not allowed in the back half of the house so I don’t want to open up the can of worms of putting him in our bedroom and having to avoid going into my own room (also illogical with chores to do) to keep from a bark/howlfest. It’s really making me want to abandon crate training altogether and just put him in at the end of day overnight (the only time he’s quiet in the crate) for my sanity. As it is, I can’t have him crated when I’m prepping his meals because then it goes to an extreme that seems unending. Now I just have him on “place” to wait for it to save what’s left of my sanity. Still in a spot where he cant really see me but knows I’m in the kitchen and is only a few feet closer, and amazingly, not a peep from him aside from an occasional whimper. If he were fully potty trained, I’d just admit defeat and wouldn't bother with the crate with how much grief its causing our relationship. It’s truly upsetting that our mere presence triggers this. I can’t help that I don’t need to leave the house for hours on end (the only other time he literally doesn't make a peep in his crate is when we’re not home).

    So we contacted a local trainer and are hoping and praying we can find a solution to what is feeling like hell on earth 50% of the day. I seriously can’t figure out what is going wrong. I feel like such a failure on the most basic level of dog ownership, and this is my fourth time raising and crate training a puppy. :(
     
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  2. Oh Little Oji

    Oh Little Oji Formerly Tad Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Aw, don't feel like you're failing! You just have a challenging puppy! They are very good at making it seem like bad things will never end.

    Is every member of the household, and all visitors completely consistent in ignoring him during his crate times? I don't even make eye contact. Certainly don't vocalize to him.
     
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  3. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    Yes, we’re practically militant about it. No eye contact, no talking to, nor going toward him. We just try to go about our daily tasks as if he weren’t there. But as you can imagine, it’s like a house alarm going off with every move you make.
     
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  4. AnnV

    AnnV $ Premium Subscriber $ Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    I don't know if this will help, but when our Bedja turned quiet for more than a couple of seconds I let him out of the crate for a while as to mark that being quiet is in his own interest. So he was let out of the crate enough times after he turned quiet to get the message. Then he might just have to wait longer next time. But absolutely not let him out when he made noise.
    We have been fortunate though, not having had to crate our boy for many hours on end during daytime.
    Was DeSoto never crated before you got him?
     
  5. Viemarangelrock

    Viemarangelrock $ Premium Subscriber $ Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    I’m wondering if he’s suffering from noise anxiety. Sounds like he reacts to most noises in your household. I’ve no personal experience of this but I’m wondering if it would help by exposing him to low levels of the noise that bothers him, in a controlled environment. As he gets accustomed to it, you could increase the levels louder and louder over time until he learns to tolerate the real deal. In a nutshell, desensitising him. Another thought, maybe a pressure wrap?

    Please don’t think that you are failing him. You’re a responsible owner looking out for his well being. We all hit bumps in the road, it’s all a learning curve.
     
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  6. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    No, I’m pretty sure he was never crated. I believe the breeder had a doggie “room” of sorts. The thing is, I’ve done the “let him out when he’s quiet” idea, but he doesn’t quite seem to be understanding it. I think having someone who can see what we’re dealing with would help tremendously. Perhaps point out what if anything we’re doing wrong.
     
  7. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Wow psycho puppy on the scene! I so empathize because I think we both were this level of overwhelmed by our baby monster. In hindsight, I feel the restricted involvement and access created more problems for us. We treated him like a dog, but the whole “it’s not a dog, it’s a Doberman” business is for real. For the next little psycho, I plan to tether them so they can learn all the sounds of the household. New sounds do cause them some concern but if they see the item making the sound while you are around, they will not react. At least that’s my finding. It’s not ideal to have them in the kitchen while you’re working, but it will get HIS noises under control. They have quite the vocals don’t they! :spit:
     
  8. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    It really is a conundrum. There are times when he really doesn’t react to anything at all. Then other times he goes ballistic with the same sounds (but only ever in the crate). I tested out this theory this morning. Every time he quieted down, I turned the faucet on and he’d freaked. Same with opening the fridge. These are sounds he’s always heard and doesn't react to out of the crate. Right now, he’s resting in the crate. Half awake. I just went out to the porch, he went nuts (cant see me though). I came in when he quieted down. Then I just went to wash my hands...not a peep. I just opened the fridge....not a peep. I’m at a loss. :wtf:
     
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  9. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Teach the quiet command when he’s out of the crate. So you find him sleeping in the floor, say quiet then so he gets the idea that shutting his face is a good thing haha. Problem is he will get up and annoy you lol.
     
  10. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Interesting. This is bizarre :scratch:
     
  11. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    He’s learned/is learning “settle” which is meant to get him to calm down during interaction bc he goes crazy for affection. Its also what we use when we want him to lie down in is crate as soon as we kennel him up. He does well with it in those times. Unfortunately it doesn't work when he’s going crate berserk.
     
  12. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    I know! I seriously feel like I’m going crazy trying to crack this puppy code. And worse yet, I’m afraid of not knowing when to admit defeat. It’s making me question everything about getting this dog.
     
  13. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Been there too! The puppy phase is like survival of the fittest and the dog plans to win haha. Did you try any crate games?
     
  14. MelonJ

    MelonJ Notable member

    At least I’m not alone in this feeling. Lol

    We have. He’ll go in there willingly for treats now. But us walking away starts his barking and howling up again. And waiting for him to shut up pretty much ends the game bc he wont.
     

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