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Prioritize for Success - A Manifesto for the New TOTAL DOBERMAN

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PRIORITIZE FOR SUCCESS
A Manifesto for the New TOTAL DOBERMAN

By Vic Monteleon

There is an insidious, lethal disease running rampant in Dobermans, which, if left unchecked, has the potential to destroy our breed. It has been around for awhile, camouflaging the enormity of its damage beneath glossy advertising, behind self-promoting rhetoric designed to protect individual kennel names and reputations, and by a desire to safeguard the enormous financial investments made in campaigning top conformation show dogs. However, because of the information revolution, the consequences of the disease are becoming evident and hard to ignore.

Unfortunately, it is not a disease that the Doberman Pinscher Foundation of America can throw funding at. It isn't one with a genetic basis. It's a disease in the minds of Doberman fanciers and breeders. It is a disease of PRIORITIES! It is a mindset that states that: THE ONLY VALID MEASURE OF A BREEDING PROGRAM ARE WINS IN A SHOWRING!... It is the belief that breed type, as defined in the Doberman Standard, is the only important goal of a breeding program, and that show wins (especially Breed, Group, and BIS) are the single measure of success.

Back in the early 70's, I coined the term "The Total Doberman" in an article I wrote for Top Dobe Magazine. Then, I said that the Total Doberman was a dog who had a championship, one or more obedience titles, and had passed a temperament test, In retrospect, 25 odd years later, I admit I WAS WRONG! I didn't go far enough. not nearly far enough. I've done some self examination over the years, and have reset my priorities. If I can encourage just a few of you to look at yours, then this article will have served its purpose.

In any event, these are my priorities, and they are in order of importance:

1. TEMPERAMENT
2. HEALTH and LONGEVITY
3. FUNCTIONAL STRUCTURE
4. BREED TYPE


My rationale for ordering the priorities and a discussion of each will form the remainder of this article.

TEMPERAMENT: Temperament is still one of the most misused words in dog vocabulary. It is defined as the "totality of traits manifested on one's behavior or thinking". in short, an umbrella term. It is analogous to the term "conformation". which is the totality of physical / structural traits of an organism. For a specific breed, temperament is defined by favorable possession of those traits. Thus, the DPCA's WAE evaluates a critically necessary subset of the traits required of a good Doberman. but truly good temperament goes beyond even a WAC. Good temperament goes beyond even our Standard's description.

Our breed standard calls for a dog that is "energetic, watchful, determined, alert, fearless, loyal, and obedient. without a trace of shyness of viciousness". This is an excellent description, but it doesn't go far enough. In terms of the "preserve and protect" charter of DPCA, I' add the following: Intense and focused prey drive. This is a primary characteristic of a great working dog. It is the foundation for training in many dog sports, from fly ball to schutzhund to agility..in fact, any sport in which the dog is motivated to move fast, chase, or run. It is an essential ingredient for search and rescue dogs and police dogs.

Calm and relaxed manner when not engaged in work. This is very important, and relates to livability in an urban environment. It is also very important for police dogs or service dogs. A dog who's constantly wound up, is hyperactive, or can't / won't relax will either tend to be nervy and over reactive (we call them "nerve bags") or be exhausted from the stress when actually needed to work. A good patrol / police dog can just hang out all day, in relaxed manner in the back of a patrol car, yet be instantly "up" and ready to work when required. More dogs wash out of training because they are nervy than any other single cause. and not just Dobermans.

Moderate threat stress threshold. A Doberman is a watchdog / guard dog / protection dog. A low threat stress is always seeing threats. where there are none. This is the dog who'll hackle and inappropriately growl and bark at everything. The high threat stress dog won't see a threat until he's practically being beaten. A good protection dog is alert but calm until threatening behavior is evident, then reacts appropriately.

A Dobe can meet the behavioral portion of our standard, yet have none of the three traits described above. Among the working elite, the Doberman is generally getting an AWFUL reputation! Many of the agility dogs lack speed and confidence. Many of our sport / protection dogs lack focus, drive, and confidence. Many are too soft to be trained for anything, but will bait and show just fine in a breed ring. Many are just too easily stressed, and when stressed, don't have quick recovery.

For the "temperamentally" serious out there, there are tools to help us. The DPCA has the Working Aptitude Evaluation, which has all but been ignored by most breeders of show dogs. Roughly 10% of dogs evaluated at any given time are Champions. The United Doberman Club has an even more ambitious set of tools. They have the Youth Temperament Test, the Adult Temperament Test, and the Sport Dog Temperament Test for conformation dogs to pass *before* they're allowed to get a UDC Championship, and last year, they implemented a "Fit for Breeding" (FFB) test as well as the German ZTP which are both a combination of a temperament test and conformation critique in which breed type *and* functional structure are evaluated. The UDC goes a step further with these tests than the Europeans do inasmuch as the club requires a full set of health tests before they'll award the FFB or ZTP titles.

We live in an incredibly litigious society. That society requires us to be ever vigilant to breed specific legislation. NOTHING will cause our breed grief faster than bad temperament. All it takes is a notionally reported incident, and our breed could be legislated into oblivion. Of all the breeds, only the Doberman comes with a ton of negative baggage. Whether deserved or not, the mention of Doberman to the general public is still met with fear and loathing. Had the three dogs that had gotten loose and killed that schoolboy been Dobermans instead of Rottweilers, we'd be in a hole right now that all the Best in Shows in the world couldn't get us out of. When it comes to temperament, our attitude ought to be ZERO BEHAVIORAL DEFECTS. We mustn't breed nervy, gun-shy, sight sensitive, skittish, people shy Dobermans. No dogs with questionable temperaments. period! My first priority!

HEALTH AND LONGEVITY: The degree to which many of our "serious" breeders are ignoring health and longevity is shocking! Health should be a major factor in planning a breeding and we owe it to those who buy our puppies to do all that's humanly possible to insure that the pups we produce live long, vigorous, healthy lives. Health and longevity are not synonymous. A dog can be long lived, yet still have health problems.

Dysplasia, late onset cardiomyopathy, thyroid immune problems, vWD may not cause a dog to be short lived, but they are still health concerns to that dog. I've known dogs of other breeds that get crippling arthritis. and live on Ascriptin, or now Rimadyl. They are long lived thanks to drugs, but they're not healthy, nor do they have the quality of life of a healthy dog.

This is my number two priority because NOT paying attention to it can have disastrous consequences. By the time something is so well established in a breed that it is recognized as a severe problem, it can be too late to be eliminated without a severe reduction in our gene pool. Reduction of a gene pool is almost a "Catch-22' SITUATION. By working to eliminate a single bad trait, we can unknowingly also lose good traits. So it behooves all of us as serious breeders to eliminate problems early. as soon as we know how. Or at least we should try to before the problem is widespread. But you might wonder, "How can we proceed when we don't know the mode of transmission of the problem?" Well, the worst case scenario is to assume, in the absence of knowledge, that the mode of transmission is that of an autosomal dominant gene. Evidence is mounting, for example, the Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM) follows this pattern. At its best, breeding for health is like waking a tightrope. at it worst, there's no safety net under the rope. If someone isn't willing to take that risk. they shouldn't breed!

Consider the following:

A well-known breeder commented to me at ringside, that he'd "rather have a
pretty dog for five years than an ugly one for thirteen." By what twisted logic does such a person pass off health / longevity and beauty as mutually exclusive characteristics?

A well-known stud dog dies suddenly at a young age, and the show folk are there with excuses. "Oh. it was just a heart attack". or "a stroke". or it "was due to stress in the life of a show dog". Was an autopsy done? No. Do many breeders care? No! All this DESPITE the fact that dogs don't suffer heart attacks as humans do. Dogs are carnivores. They don't get atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease, or occlusion / myocardial infarcts which cause human hart attacks. If a dog has a heart problem. it's most likely a congenital valve problem, a secondary result of infection such as abscessed teeth or a bacterial / viral infection, or dilated cardiomyopathy. DCM is far and away the most common of Doberman heart problems.

An article in the Winter issue of the Quarterly downplayed the existence of a vWD problem in our breed and ridiculed those for whom it was both a concern and issue. The disease if FACT. The genetic test for the mutant gene which is necessary to cause the disease is FACT! That Dobermans are bleeding and some are dying from lack of vWD is FACT! Yet many are taking the position that the disease doesn't exist. claiming that it is some trumped up VetGen conspiracy. or claiming that, because they haven't personally seen it, it can't be a problem. Others think that it's only a pet" disease, and that our show dogs are somehow immune to getting it. This isn't the case. I have first hand knowledge of two dogs that've had vWD related bleeding episodes, and know of at least fifteen others where the ONLY identifiable factor was lack of circulation vWF! One of the two was owned by a member of our Doberman club. The other was a Doberman who was in our boarding kennel. What on Earth would I personally have to gain by making this stuff up?

A person whose Doberman died after a spay as a result of post surgical complications due solely to vWD sent me an email, a portion of which I'll reproduce here:

"I don't know where to start or what to say. I'm angry, I'm hurt; I feel frustrated and bewildered and furious all at the same time. I feel dismissed, patronized, insulted - labeled a somehow either overly impressionable, an emotional anthropomorphic sufferer, or just plain not too bright because I think that vWD is worthy of consideration when planning a breeding. HOW MANY of us. people who've had direct incidences with vWD clinically affected dogs - how many must trot out our stories, our "proof", our facts, figures, and anecdotal experiences before some of these long time breeder (and BOY do I use this term loosely now!) of Dobermans HEAR us?"

This was written to me in response to the aforementioned article in DQ. You think it's not a problem when people lose dogs and are devastated? Can you feel her frustration and pain?

Just a few years ago, people were clamoring for a definitive test for vWD. Now that we have it, suddenly it appears that people think that vWD's not an issue. and many are saying that they're not testing because cardio is really the big problem! How will breeders react when that test is finally available? Will they not use it. citing cost, or "cause "actually CVI is the biggest problem"? It's all about priorities, folks.

FUNCTIONAL STRUCTURE. or DYNAMIC

CONFORMATION: This is NOT synonymous with breed type. It has to do with the ability of a dog to functionally perform work. It is. a head that has the power to bite, a body that can do a double suspension gallop, a front that can withstand the repeated shock of jumping. an agility that allows a dog to twist, turn, and pivot with ease. Static conformation is what you see when a dog is stacked in the ring. You can't tell anything about the do's ability to use his muscles, tendons and ligaments to articulate that static structure. and the gaiting required in the show ring won't show it to you either.

The Doberman is a double suspension galloper. In order to do this, the dogs must have flexion of the spine. The backbone must be convex when the dog's legs are under him, and concave when the dog is stretched out. You just CAN'T see this in a trot. The dog has to gallop. A Dobe must be agile, and while his legitimate work doesn't require the hair-trigger changes of direction required of a herding dog, he still must be agile and supple. not rigid. You can't evaluate this in the breed ring, but you CAN on an agility course. A Doberman must be able to absorb shock. That means that on landing after jumping, the front assembly has to have some "give". the pasterns must flex, the feet must splay slightly. the shoulder / upper arm assemble must flex. You CAN'T see this in the breed ring. but you CAN in an obedience ring, or on an agility course, or on a Schutzhund field. A Doberman must have the facial and jaw structure to bite and hold. A Dobe must have
sufficient depth of cheek, sufficient fill beneath the eyes, and sufficient facial musculature for a good solid bite on a sleeve. You CAN see this in the breed ring. A Doberman must have a strong, well muscled, dry neck. Otherwise, the neck will be the primary injury site when doing a long bite, or when absorbing shock from jumping. You CAN see this in the breed ring.

The exaggeration of breed type we often see judges putting up in the breed ring can actually hurt functional structure. A top line that looks rock solid in a stack and in a trot may also be too rigid to allow for efficient galloping. How do you know without observing that gallop, and making it a priority? A set of ramrod straight pasterns and very tight cat feet may not possess the necessary flexion for proper shock absorption. Overdone fronts without sufficient musculature in the rear to counterbalance it will bring the dog's center of gravity too far forward, with disastrous consequences to a jumping dog. And if a judge thinks aardvark heads on swan necks are somehow "prettier", he Is mortgaging away our noble breed's birthright as a protection dog supreme!

Having participated n a variety of do activities over a Doberman career spanning three decades, I'm always amazed at the "know it all" arrogance of some of the closed-minded breed ring only types. I speak here, not only as a Doberman person, but as an ex-handler of many other breeds as well. Few have considered what it means for a dog to be truly athletic. not just standing, and trotting "pretty". Even fewer have worked dogs in disciplines that would allow them to see the consequences of breed type run amuck! Quite a few conformation judges fall into this category. As a result many breeds are split along show and working lines. and many people incorrectly assume that the major differences are only behavioral. They are NOT. they are also structural.

Field Labradors, with their length of leg and hard, muscular bodies scarcely resemble their squat, endomorphic, heavily coated cousins in the breed ring. Working Dobermans have strong, well muscled, dry necks. not swan-like. They have strong, well filled out fronts. not pigeon breasted with a chest that sticks out so far forward that the dog's center of gravity is between his front legs. A good working dog will be heavily muscled from the rear. Those hamstrings are what propel the dog forward in a gallop.

Limits should be set on breed type by function, and we should strive not to go beyond those limits. You judges out there. wake up! Don't sacrifice function to some exaggerated notions of style.

BREED TYPE: Only when I have paid attention to temperament, health / longevity, and functional structure. only then do I shift my focus to typiness. Please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. Breed type is important. Without it, our Dobermans would lose the characteristic "look" that makes our breed the envy of all of dogdom. That noble outline and that "look of eagles" would disappear. The breed ring is what keeps that look alive.

Make no mistake about it. I want type. I want my dogs to do well in the breed ring. I want Champions as much as the next guy. I want type in my breeding program validated. BUT I won't do it at the expense of temperament. I won't do it at the expense of heath and longevity. And I won't do it at the expense of the dog's physical ability to work. I will not mortgage away by my Doberman Breed's future merely to chase ribbons. But breed type shouldn't be the primary. It should be the icing on the cake. It's up to us as breeders to make damn sure that there's a cake under all that frosting. There's strong indication that we're not doing that, and it's time to look at our priorities. Socrates said that "the examined life isn't worth living". This is the time to examine our priorities, see our courses, and do what we have to do to ensure the future of our great breed.

Temperament, health and longevity, functional structure, and breed type. those are my choices. those are my priorities. A Dobe who has all of the above is now my definition of a "Total Doberman". Anything less is an incomplete package. Look around you. How may complete packages do you see? Very few? I thought so! Do you or should you care? It should be a resounding YES! Are you willing to take responsibility for and a leadership role to "preserve and protect the Doberman Pinscher and to do all possible to bring its natural qualities to perfection" as stated in the DPCA's charter? The choice is yours.
 
Bravo! I have lots of opinions that I can indulge in on this, but overall I agree with it 100%. Where the sadness comes in is that its a unicorn that's so rare (to get all his ducks in that row in one dog) that if we adhered to that, the gene pool would be even smaller... I'll have to get my opinions typed up later, but LOL as per usual I like to voice my 2 cents. 🤣
 
Just wanted to add that these were truly great visions of the future by Mr. Monteleon. I just googled him and he died in 2006. We need more people like him advocating for our Dobermans today...
 
My biggest question or comment is how to (a.) convince breeders to double-down on thoughtful breeding that covers all these points and (b.) educate buyers to lean toward breeders who do so. As Doberman puppy buyers we can all refuse to purchase puppies from any breeder who doesn't actively pursue these points no matter what their basic interest is.

If conformation is your main interest do that! But during and after your chase for the CH or GCH add a WAC title to prove your CH has correct temperament. Then add a BCAT to prove your dog has adequate prey drive and natural athleticism. ( I personally didn't know the term double suspension until I was at my 3rd fast cat trial and a Whippet breeder commented on Ashas "double suspension". I said "her what?" LOL. It's generally a sighthound phenomenon, not all breeds are blessed with it.) Every breeder should be required (that will never happen, but I can still say it's my opinion) to get a genetic test to measure status of known genetic diseases. It's not perfect, but it's knowledge. And the OFA tests which cover status of hips, elbows, eyes etc. and Holters/Echos on sire and dam within 12 months prior to breeding.

If a person wants to breed Dobermans they should be looking at the big picture of the Doberman breed, not just their sport or show of interest. Having studied genetics in horses I know it's pretty hard to get the total package and this is the challenge of the article above. If you breed a soft, weak nerved pretty AKC Champion dog to a strong protection IGP3 dog who happens to be a little homely you can very well end up with a litter of homely weak nerved fear-biters that would fail in everything. Breeding Opposites rarely results in puppies inheriting the best side of each parent. Careful selection to breed similar dogs but each having a strong point to oppose the others weak links is what breeding is all about. Even the best intentions result in a mixed litter of pups. Breeders should be upfront and honest about their breeding dogs weak links and express how they are trying to improve it! Nobody has a perfect dog! Nobody! Breed with the intent of making it better!

As puppy buyers we can vote with our purchasing power: Looking for even companion dogs with no lofty goals you can still purchase from a breeder who shows concern for bettering the breed by genetic health testing, OFA testing, current heart health testing and putting some kind of active titles on the parents including at the minimum an ATT, but preferably the WAC temperament tests. As the article mentions UDC breeders are held to strict requirements and have pledged to keep to those standards. It would be my wish that DPCA and AKC would adopt those standards as well. For the betterment of the breed.

Thanks again @Rits for finding this article and sharing it here.
 
Worth a bump?
In light of the DoberDane post...
How well has this aged?
There may be a few newer members who haven't seen this, so thanks for bumping! I still think it's one of the best articles ever written on our breed - and the fact that it was written years ago... the insight Mr. Monteleon had was real. Re-reading my 2 cents above, I will double-down on my opinion of breeders getting as diverse as they can in show & sports both being in one pedigree. Many, if not most breeders specialize in one or two areas, show dogs only show and working dogs only work and sport dogs do their sport. If they don't have time, money, experience to "do all the things" or their breeding prospect doesn't show talent to do things outside it's successful venue, why not look for a mate that compliments physically and adds something new? Because I love learning and never was into conformation shows, I have spent the last couple of years watching, learning, listening to advice and my favorite thing, genetics. Pedigree after pedigree after pedigree of show champions have maybe 10% of dogs with any sport titles. I'm saying in 40 years of generations all they have done is present themselves in a show ring. For a working breed what does this say? What are we preserving? How do they even know they are preserving the working breed?

The "dober-dane post" - those people are lost and completely out of whack. But our DPCA, national breed club, could do more to promote and encourage more diversity. And individual breeders could do more to prove their own dogs. @Rits is a great example of showing Ripley in conformation PLUS doing a variety of sports to prove that Ripley is also athletic and trainable under a multitude of conditions. My dog was bred for bite sports but her sire is an AKC GCH, and her dams sire is an AKC CH with an IGP3. Asha got the beautiful looks of a show dog and the athletic abilities of the working ancestors. Her breeder continues to strive for a working Doberman that has beauty and structure of a show dog. She has bred several dogs who are in the SAR or HRD field. I guess my point is that as a breeder, you CAN breed outside your interest to add diversity to your pedigrees even if - especially if! - your breeding dog doesn't have those lines, but they compliment each other physically.

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I agree with you @Ravenbird! I would love to see more Dobermans with sport/working titles.

I know it isn’t offered a lot, but I’m surprised more dogs don’t have a WAC. Isn’t it offered at the National every year? In my opinion, if you’re there anyways there is no reason why not to try it out.

I’m hoping Remy will get his AKC championship this year. If I go to the National I’ll also have him do the WAE, I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t pass it. There’s a good chance he will earn his Register of Merit eventually too since SWN if a qualifying performance title.
 
PRIORITIZE FOR SUCCESS
A Manifesto for the New TOTAL DOBERMAN

By Vic Monteleon

There is an insidious, lethal disease running rampant in Dobermans, which, if left unchecked, has the potential to destroy our breed. It has been around for awhile, camouflaging the enormity of its damage beneath glossy advertising, behind self-promoting rhetoric designed to protect individual kennel names and reputations, and by a desire to safeguard the enormous financial investments made in campaigning top conformation show dogs. However, because of the information revolution, the consequences of the disease are becoming evident and hard to ignore.

Unfortunately, it is not a disease that the Doberman Pinscher Foundation of America can throw funding at. It isn't one with a genetic basis. It's a disease in the minds of Doberman fanciers and breeders. It is a disease of PRIORITIES! It is a mindset that states that: THE ONLY VALID MEASURE OF A BREEDING PROGRAM ARE WINS IN A SHOWRING!... It is the belief that breed type, as defined in the Doberman Standard, is the only important goal of a breeding program, and that show wins (especially Breed, Group, and BIS) are the single measure of success.

Back in the early 70's, I coined the term "The Total Doberman" in an article I wrote for Top Dobe Magazine. Then, I said that the Total Doberman was a dog who had a championship, one or more obedience titles, and had passed a temperament test, In retrospect, 25 odd years later, I admit I WAS WRONG! I didn't go far enough. not nearly far enough. I've done some self examination over the years, and have reset my priorities. If I can encourage just a few of you to look at yours, then this article will have served its purpose.

In any event, these are my priorities, and they are in order of importance:

1. TEMPERAMENT
2. HEALTH and LONGEVITY
3. FUNCTIONAL STRUCTURE
4. BREED TYPE


My rationale for ordering the priorities and a discussion of each will form the remainder of this article.

TEMPERAMENT: Temperament is still one of the most misused words in dog vocabulary. It is defined as the "totality of traits manifested on one's behavior or thinking". in short, an umbrella term. It is analogous to the term "conformation". which is the totality of physical / structural traits of an organism. For a specific breed, temperament is defined by favorable possession of those traits. Thus, the DPCA's WAE evaluates a critically necessary subset of the traits required of a good Doberman. but truly good temperament goes beyond even a WAC. Good temperament goes beyond even our Standard's description.

Our breed standard calls for a dog that is "energetic, watchful, determined, alert, fearless, loyal, and obedient. without a trace of shyness of viciousness". This is an excellent description, but it doesn't go far enough. In terms of the "preserve and protect" charter of DPCA, I' add the following: Intense and focused prey drive. This is a primary characteristic of a great working dog. It is the foundation for training in many dog sports, from fly ball to schutzhund to agility..in fact, any sport in which the dog is motivated to move fast, chase, or run. It is an essential ingredient for search and rescue dogs and police dogs.

Calm and relaxed manner when not engaged in work. This is very important, and relates to livability in an urban environment. It is also very important for police dogs or service dogs. A dog who's constantly wound up, is hyperactive, or can't / won't relax will either tend to be nervy and over reactive (we call them "nerve bags") or be exhausted from the stress when actually needed to work. A good patrol / police dog can just hang out all day, in relaxed manner in the back of a patrol car, yet be instantly "up" and ready to work when required. More dogs wash out of training because they are nervy than any other single cause. and not just Dobermans.

Moderate threat stress threshold. A Doberman is a watchdog / guard dog / protection dog. A low threat stress is always seeing threats. where there are none. This is the dog who'll hackle and inappropriately growl and bark at everything. The high threat stress dog won't see a threat until he's practically being beaten. A good protection dog is alert but calm until threatening behavior is evident, then reacts appropriately.

A Dobe can meet the behavioral portion of our standard, yet have none of the three traits described above. Among the working elite, the Doberman is generally getting an AWFUL reputation! Many of the agility dogs lack speed and confidence. Many of our sport / protection dogs lack focus, drive, and confidence. Many are too soft to be trained for anything, but will bait and show just fine in a breed ring. Many are just too easily stressed, and when stressed, don't have quick recovery.

For the "temperamentally" serious out there, there are tools to help us. The DPCA has the Working Aptitude Evaluation, which has all but been ignored by most breeders of show dogs. Roughly 10% of dogs evaluated at any given time are Champions. The United Doberman Club has an even more ambitious set of tools. They have the Youth Temperament Test, the Adult Temperament Test, and the Sport Dog Temperament Test for conformation dogs to pass *before* they're allowed to get a UDC Championship, and last year, they implemented a "Fit for Breeding" (FFB) test as well as the German ZTP which are both a combination of a temperament test and conformation critique in which breed type *and* functional structure are evaluated. The UDC goes a step further with these tests than the Europeans do inasmuch as the club requires a full set of health tests before they'll award the FFB or ZTP titles.

We live in an incredibly litigious society. That society requires us to be ever vigilant to breed specific legislation. NOTHING will cause our breed grief faster than bad temperament. All it takes is a notionally reported incident, and our breed could be legislated into oblivion. Of all the breeds, only the Doberman comes with a ton of negative baggage. Whether deserved or not, the mention of Doberman to the general public is still met with fear and loathing. Had the three dogs that had gotten loose and killed that schoolboy been Dobermans instead of Rottweilers, we'd be in a hole right now that all the Best in Shows in the world couldn't get us out of. When it comes to temperament, our attitude ought to be ZERO BEHAVIORAL DEFECTS. We mustn't breed nervy, gun-shy, sight sensitive, skittish, people shy Dobermans. No dogs with questionable temperaments. period! My first priority!

HEALTH AND LONGEVITY: The degree to which many of our "serious" breeders are ignoring health and longevity is shocking! Health should be a major factor in planning a breeding and we owe it to those who buy our puppies to do all that's humanly possible to insure that the pups we produce live long, vigorous, healthy lives. Health and longevity are not synonymous. A dog can be long lived, yet still have health problems.

Dysplasia, late onset cardiomyopathy, thyroid immune problems, vWD may not cause a dog to be short lived, but they are still health concerns to that dog. I've known dogs of other breeds that get crippling arthritis. and live on Ascriptin, or now Rimadyl. They are long lived thanks to drugs, but they're not healthy, nor do they have the quality of life of a healthy dog.

This is my number two priority because NOT paying attention to it can have disastrous consequences. By the time something is so well established in a breed that it is recognized as a severe problem, it can be too late to be eliminated without a severe reduction in our gene pool. Reduction of a gene pool is almost a "Catch-22' SITUATION. By working to eliminate a single bad trait, we can unknowingly also lose good traits. So it behooves all of us as serious breeders to eliminate problems early. as soon as we know how. Or at least we should try to before the problem is widespread. But you might wonder, "How can we proceed when we don't know the mode of transmission of the problem?" Well, the worst case scenario is to assume, in the absence of knowledge, that the mode of transmission is that of an autosomal dominant gene. Evidence is mounting, for example, the Dilated Cardiomyopathy (DCM) follows this pattern. At its best, breeding for health is like waking a tightrope. at it worst, there's no safety net under the rope. If someone isn't willing to take that risk. they shouldn't breed!

Consider the following:

A well-known breeder commented to me at ringside, that he'd "rather have a
pretty dog for five years than an ugly one for thirteen." By what twisted logic does such a person pass off health / longevity and beauty as mutually exclusive characteristics?

A well-known stud dog dies suddenly at a young age, and the show folk are there with excuses. "Oh. it was just a heart attack". or "a stroke". or it "was due to stress in the life of a show dog". Was an autopsy done? No. Do many breeders care? No! All this DESPITE the fact that dogs don't suffer heart attacks as humans do. Dogs are carnivores. They don't get atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease, or occlusion / myocardial infarcts which cause human hart attacks. If a dog has a heart problem. it's most likely a congenital valve problem, a secondary result of infection such as abscessed teeth or a bacterial / viral infection, or dilated cardiomyopathy. DCM is far and away the most common of Doberman heart problems.

An article in the Winter issue of the Quarterly downplayed the existence of a vWD problem in our breed and ridiculed those for whom it was both a concern and issue. The disease if FACT. The genetic test for the mutant gene which is necessary to cause the disease is FACT! That Dobermans are bleeding and some are dying from lack of vWD is FACT! Yet many are taking the position that the disease doesn't exist. claiming that it is some trumped up VetGen conspiracy. or claiming that, because they haven't personally seen it, it can't be a problem. Others think that it's only a pet" disease, and that our show dogs are somehow immune to getting it. This isn't the case. I have first hand knowledge of two dogs that've had vWD related bleeding episodes, and know of at least fifteen others where the ONLY identifiable factor was lack of circulation vWF! One of the two was owned by a member of our Doberman club. The other was a Doberman who was in our boarding kennel. What on Earth would I personally have to gain by making this stuff up?

A person whose Doberman died after a spay as a result of post surgical complications due solely to vWD sent me an email, a portion of which I'll reproduce here:

"I don't know where to start or what to say. I'm angry, I'm hurt; I feel frustrated and bewildered and furious all at the same time. I feel dismissed, patronized, insulted - labeled a somehow either overly impressionable, an emotional anthropomorphic sufferer, or just plain not too bright because I think that vWD is worthy of consideration when planning a breeding. HOW MANY of us. people who've had direct incidences with vWD clinically affected dogs - how many must trot out our stories, our "proof", our facts, figures, and anecdotal experiences before some of these long time breeder (and BOY do I use this term loosely now!) of Dobermans HEAR us?"

This was written to me in response to the aforementioned article in DQ. You think it's not a problem when people lose dogs and are devastated? Can you feel her frustration and pain?

Just a few years ago, people were clamoring for a definitive test for vWD. Now that we have it, suddenly it appears that people think that vWD's not an issue. and many are saying that they're not testing because cardio is really the big problem! How will breeders react when that test is finally available? Will they not use it. citing cost, or "cause "actually CVI is the biggest problem"? It's all about priorities, folks.

FUNCTIONAL STRUCTURE. or DYNAMIC

CONFORMATION: This is NOT synonymous with breed type. It has to do with the ability of a dog to functionally perform work. It is. a head that has the power to bite, a body that can do a double suspension gallop, a front that can withstand the repeated shock of jumping. an agility that allows a dog to twist, turn, and pivot with ease. Static conformation is what you see when a dog is stacked in the ring. You can't tell anything about the do's ability to use his muscles, tendons and ligaments to articulate that static structure. and the gaiting required in the show ring won't show it to you either.

The Doberman is a double suspension galloper. In order to do this, the dogs must have flexion of the spine. The backbone must be convex when the dog's legs are under him, and concave when the dog is stretched out. You just CAN'T see this in a trot. The dog has to gallop. A Dobe must be agile, and while his legitimate work doesn't require the hair-trigger changes of direction required of a herding dog, he still must be agile and supple. not rigid. You can't evaluate this in the breed ring, but you CAN on an agility course. A Doberman must be able to absorb shock. That means that on landing after jumping, the front assembly has to have some "give". the pasterns must flex, the feet must splay slightly. the shoulder / upper arm assemble must flex. You CAN'T see this in the breed ring. but you CAN in an obedience ring, or on an agility course, or on a Schutzhund field. A Doberman must have the facial and jaw structure to bite and hold. A Dobe must have
sufficient depth of cheek, sufficient fill beneath the eyes, and sufficient facial musculature for a good solid bite on a sleeve. You CAN see this in the breed ring. A Doberman must have a strong, well muscled, dry neck. Otherwise, the neck will be the primary injury site when doing a long bite, or when absorbing shock from jumping. You CAN see this in the breed ring.

The exaggeration of breed type we often see judges putting up in the breed ring can actually hurt functional structure. A top line that looks rock solid in a stack and in a trot may also be too rigid to allow for efficient galloping. How do you know without observing that gallop, and making it a priority? A set of ramrod straight pasterns and very tight cat feet may not possess the necessary flexion for proper shock absorption. Overdone fronts without sufficient musculature in the rear to counterbalance it will bring the dog's center of gravity too far forward, with disastrous consequences to a jumping dog. And if a judge thinks aardvark heads on swan necks are somehow "prettier", he Is mortgaging away our noble breed's birthright as a protection dog supreme!

Having participated n a variety of do activities over a Doberman career spanning three decades, I'm always amazed at the "know it all" arrogance of some of the closed-minded breed ring only types. I speak here, not only as a Doberman person, but as an ex-handler of many other breeds as well. Few have considered what it means for a dog to be truly athletic. not just standing, and trotting "pretty". Even fewer have worked dogs in disciplines that would allow them to see the consequences of breed type run amuck! Quite a few conformation judges fall into this category. As a result many breeds are split along show and working lines. and many people incorrectly assume that the major differences are only behavioral. They are NOT. they are also structural.

Field Labradors, with their length of leg and hard, muscular bodies scarcely resemble their squat, endomorphic, heavily coated cousins in the breed ring. Working Dobermans have strong, well muscled, dry necks. not swan-like. They have strong, well filled out fronts. not pigeon breasted with a chest that sticks out so far forward that the dog's center of gravity is between his front legs. A good working dog will be heavily muscled from the rear. Those hamstrings are what propel the dog forward in a gallop.

Limits should be set on breed type by function, and we should strive not to go beyond those limits. You judges out there. wake up! Don't sacrifice function to some exaggerated notions of style.

BREED TYPE: Only when I have paid attention to temperament, health / longevity, and functional structure. only then do I shift my focus to typiness. Please don't misinterpret what I'm saying. Breed type is important. Without it, our Dobermans would lose the characteristic "look" that makes our breed the envy of all of dogdom. That noble outline and that "look of eagles" would disappear. The breed ring is what keeps that look alive.

Make no mistake about it. I want type. I want my dogs to do well in the breed ring. I want Champions as much as the next guy. I want type in my breeding program validated. BUT I won't do it at the expense of temperament. I won't do it at the expense of heath and longevity. And I won't do it at the expense of the dog's physical ability to work. I will not mortgage away by my Doberman Breed's future merely to chase ribbons. But breed type shouldn't be the primary. It should be the icing on the cake. It's up to us as breeders to make damn sure that there's a cake under all that frosting. There's strong indication that we're not doing that, and it's time to look at our priorities. Socrates said that "the examined life isn't worth living". This is the time to examine our priorities, see our courses, and do what we have to do to ensure the future of our great breed.

Temperament, health and longevity, functional structure, and breed type. those are my choices. those are my priorities. A Dobe who has all of the above is now my definition of a "Total Doberman". Anything less is an incomplete package. Look around you. How may complete packages do you see? Very few? I thought so! Do you or should you care? It should be a resounding YES! Are you willing to take responsibility for and a leadership role to "preserve and protect the Doberman Pinscher and to do all possible to bring its natural qualities to perfection" as stated in the DPCA's charter? The choice is yours.
What a great post, everyone owning (or wanting to own) a Dobermann should read this!
 
I know it isn’t offered a lot, but I’m surprised more dogs don’t have a WAC. Isn’t it offered at the National every year? In my opinion, if you’re there anyways there is no reason why not to try it out.
Right? And "training for it" is discouraged because it's a temperament test, not a competition! So no excuses for not having time to train! And I loved what my judge told our WAE group: "There are no failures here if you don't get the certificate. This is simply an observation of your dogs behavior around different stimuli and gives the owner a gateway to learning more about your dog". It was 4 years before I found one close enough to go to, but it was important to me. Honestly I thought she could very well not pass by growling or barking at the innocent strangers, but she was perfect with them, totally neutral.

With many of the UDC trials they have temperament tests according to age groups (puppies even!) and bite work training level, and you can't get a CH in UDC conformation without passing an appropriate TT. (this is only for UDC trials and CH's) But it isn't a novel thought, it's what the Germans were doing all along!
 
Thanks for posting this! I missed it. VWD is a huge problem, and so easy to breed away from. I have known people who's dogs were not tested, and bled out during a spay as well. They trusted their breeder when they were told it was not an issue in their line.
 
Grateful for this forum.
If I were interested in learning more about Total Doberman, ie: all around capability and breeders by name who strive to produce it, where should I look?
 
Grateful for this forum.
If I were interested in learning more about Total Doberman, ie: all around capability and breeders by name who strive to produce it, where should I look?
Learn what the titles mean on their registered names. Look for both conformation titles like CH and performance titles...these can vary. From Obedience (in order of novice to higher level) BN, CD, CDX, UD, UDX, OTCH. To Rally Obedience (another form of Obedience): RN RI RA RM RE RAE RACH. There could be a reason one of the two in a breeding isn't finished, find out why. My girl for example is one major away from being finished. She has been almost entirely handled as an Owner Handler, a newer Owner Handler. It is incredibly challenging but possible to finish her this way so it is taking much longer.

IGP (working dog titles): BH, IGP1, IGP2, IGP3 (or SCH/IPO)

Nose/Scentwork (this one is fun because there are titles for each element and experience division which EACH require 3 legs. The elements in AKC are: Containers (SCN, SCA, SCE, SCM), Interior (SIN, SIA, SIE, SIM), Exterior (SEN SEA, and so on), Buried (SBN, and so on). Then once each of those titles in the elements are earned, the dog earns it's SN or Scentwork Novice title.

To things like Barn Hunt: RATI, RATN, RATO, RATS, RATM, RATCH. Dock Diving: DN DJ DS DM DE.

A passing Working Aptitude Evaluation (WAC) is nice to see. Though there could be a reason the parent doesn't have this and I wouldn't rule out a great dog with longevity or other good things to offer entirely and would hope one of the two parents did have their WAC.

A title I really like to see is the ROM. This is a doberman who qualifies with a conformation title, an approved performance title (typically has to be somewhat advanced level title) and has passed the doberman temperament test (WAC/WAE). Once they meet all 3 you will see ROM at the end of their registered name.

There are also not as "high priority" titles, but great to see titles, paired alongside other titles listed above. Those can be something like the CGC (canine good citizen), CGCA (Advanced), CGCU (Urban), Fast Cat titles: BCAT DCAT FCAT. Trick Titles: TKN, TKI, TKA, TKP etc. I would not breed on these titles alone.

These are all the AKC titles: Titles & Abbreviations – American Kennel Club
And here are the qualifying titles for the ROM: Working Aptitude Evaluation (WAE) -

You can research breeders on DPCA and UDC then look up their dogs on dobequest to research the pedigree.
 
@Rits covered it all but I have a few considerations to add.

If you're looking for a puppy, look for kennels that title in what you dream of doing with your own dog in the future. Few dogs do it all. In addition to learning what the titles stand for, watch some of that action on you tube to see what it takes to get the job done, especially in the upper levels. If you want a companion dog but love the drive of a bite sports dog, know that they will not make a good couch potato!

If on the other hand, you just want to learn about it all dive in and explore the different breeders programs and their dedication to the breed. Remember when looking at pedigrees how they lean - show pedigrees tend to have few sport titles but lots of CH and GCH, working dogs tend to have lots of IGP and very few CH's. There are a sprinkling of dogs with titles in front & behind their names.

And then on top of finding dogs that fit your liking on paper their longevity in the pedigree is of utmost importance. Hard to get all your possums up one tree.
 
If you're looking for a puppy, look for kennels that title in what you dream of doing with your own dog in the future. Few dogs do it all. In addition to learning what the titles stand for, watch some of that action on you tube to see what it takes to get the job done, especially in the upper levels. If you want a companion dog but love the drive of a bite sports dog, know that they will not make a good couch potato!
Oh for sure!! and I totally agree!! I was heading out the door for a 4th of July party so tried to give the "basics" so to speak lol. If you are wanting to do something more than just a pet, then look for something geared towards that in high levels.
 
I just ran across this dog celebrating her 11th birthday - I don't know dog or owner or breeder/kennel - just want to say I am extremely impressed with the pedigree for diversity (no repeats in 4 generations!) CH & GCH on many of them, and lots of sport titles, including a sprinkling of bite sports. And LONGEVITY! Oh my! Dam lived to be 15, a couple of 14 year olds, and scattering of 12's. Photo & more info on Dobequest, and Post with video of this bitch at 11 years old on FB "Doberman Pincher Longevity Cluster" page. She may not be the current style for the show ring now, I don't know, but there's not a thing to dislike about this girl in my opinion. This is what I'm saying is possible with more diversity in pedigrees.


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