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Mr Moo's Limp

Discussion in 'Doberman Health Issues and Questions' started by LifeofRubie, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    We've been trying to determine the source of Moo's limp for several weeks now, he's been on a couple rounds of anti-inflammatories that helped marginally. He and Rubie would usually run up and down the stairs during the day or he'd go up and lay on the landing; now we have a baby gate up to minimize his stair usage to 3-5 times a day. We've tried to minimize his and Rubie's crazy antics in the backyard but he still get's unsolicited zoomies. Evening walks have been cut down to two blocks.


    Originally we thought he had slipped on some ice that could have caused some soft tissue discomfort in his shoulder but when he went to the vet today, they noticed his range of motion on his left elbow was not the same as on his right elbow so they're thinking some sort of elbow dysplasia with FCP being more likely than OCD (if I'm getting my acronyms correct!). Both his parents tested clear as I'm sure did their parents so maybe just one of fluke things. I've been keeping our breeder updated throughout all of this and she's been a wonderful resource.

    His first appoint with the specialist is in a couple weeks so hopefully we can get a better look at what's really going on.

    Does any one have an experience with FCP or OCD if that's what it turns out to be? I'm really worried about how it will affect him long term, even if we get it corrected ASAP. He's such an active boy and I would love to do barn hunt and dabble in agility with him; he LOVES working for me. We do so much hiking and outdoors stuff. My poor man :(

    You would never know from his happy go lucky self that he was in any sort of discomfort

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  2. Panama

    Panama Hot Topics Subscriber

    Have you had him to an Ortho specialist? FCP - bone issue, surgical repair is usually done to prevent degeneration of the joint over-all.
    OCD is a cartilage issue. Done to remove damaged or dead cartilage. Untreated it will turn into osteoarthritis.

    Recover for both procedures requires strict rest (FCP) or very light activity (OCD).
     
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  3. Ddski5

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    Ugggg.....Really???

    Well shit.
     
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  4. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    That's the appointment we have on the 25th to try and determine if it's either of those issues. Once they're corrected and they've gone through their rest and rehab period, is it business as usual?

    I KNOOOOW! I'm just glad we're looking closer and can hopefully identify the root of the issue. Yay, insurance!
     
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  5. MyBuddy

    MyBuddy Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Yea, pretty crappy. But at least you're catching it early in his life and hopefully can get it fixed once and for all.
     
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  6. Panama

    Panama Hot Topics Subscriber

    I've never dealt with either personally, but a friend's boxer had FCP and rehab was very slow over several months. I can't remember if it was 2 or 3 months when she started her on hydrotherapy for low impact exercise.
     
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  7. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    Aww poor Moo, he really is hiding it so well in that pic. And here I was thinking it was just pano. For additional rest, can you skip the walks altogether and just let the play time with Rubie be his main activity? Just thinking it would be easier on him as he could stop the play on his own.
     
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  8. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    Yeah, I've thought about that but they run and jump HARD. He hasn't restricted himself to any degree which I know isn't unusual because dogs hide pain and work through it but it really can't feel good??
     
  9. Brioddy

    Brioddy Notable member

    Oh no! The poor boy! I’m not sure what exactly FCP or OCD is but I am familiar with cartilage/bone injuries.

    I tore the meniscus in my knee and was told I’d recover 100% after surgery, I can’t say that I ever felt much better than beforehand except then I had to heal all over again. A year later I fell and chipped a sliver off of the same knee, I opted not to do surgery again even though it was recommended.

    I’m not saying this is specifically for Moo, and of course do everything you can to help him, but although I ache a bit more than I should at my age I still do everything I want to. I probably can BECAUSE I do it all anyway. I suppose my point is sometimes “it is what it is” and working through it is better than doing nothing at all.

    What is up with these puppies!! Worrying us all to death! I am so hoping for a positive prognosis on our little Hershey bar
     
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  10. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    That’s a good point, I hadn’t thought of that. Something to ask the vet, what about supplementing with glucosamine for additional support?
     
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  11. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    Yeah... I've been giving him a capsule of Ligaplex once daily which Rubie gets but that's more for tendon and ligament health. I know Norris used to give Stella the bulldog a glucosamine supplement that he liked. Rubie could probably benefit from some as well... I just got our petflow order, too! Dang it!

    Thank you all!! Very eager to hear what the specialist has to say... I'm ready to get this sorted out!
     
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  12. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    It certainly hasn't slowed him down but I think the FCP or OCD issues can lead to early arthritis if not treated. My worry is that Dog Dad doesn't think we can keep a puppy on rest .. if he does need surgery, sounds like we're in for a long downtime...

    I remember your knee thing... You hurt it while being a member here and were down for a bit, right? Mine give me problems now and then but luckily they've held out so far. Careful with the starts, stops, and twists on the agility course!
     
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  13. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    Back to back to back posts: Moo went to the cousins house with Dog Dad and got to play with Lars (the fluff being held in the back) and the neighbor Bulldog.

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  14. Brioddy

    Brioddy Notable member

    I originally hurt my knee early in 2015, but then again when I chipped the sliver off about a year ago. Both creak and pop a lot but oh well, lol!
     
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  15. jazzies mum

    jazzies mum Notable member

    Hope Moo doesn't need surgery! It would be a nightmare trying to keep him quiet in the convalescence stage. But I guess you will have some more info soon to make that decision. Wishing you the best of outcomes!
     
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  16. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    Tried to get some videos at lunch today...

    Running he seems totally fine



    His trot/pace is the most painful looking (end of the video)


    His walk has a hiccup outside but inside on the hardwood floors it's way worse; I'm sure he's compensating for the slippery-ness. I hate we can't get into the specialist until late next week... We did get glucosamine today to start.

    Is there anything that would mainifest worse at a slower pace than at a faster pace?
     
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  17. Ddski5

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    Being optimistic:
    Too young for anything serious, it’s just a muscle sprain that needs rest and recovery.
     
  18. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    I sure hope that's all they find :( it hasn't gotten better with three round of anti-inflammatories and overall less activity; actually is much worse.
     
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  19. Brioddy

    Brioddy Notable member

    Poor Moose :( I definitely sympathize with the guy. For me I’m extra careful walking on “sketchy” surfaces such as something more prone to being slippery like hardwoods as opposed to grass outside. I don’t even realize I’m doing it, but once you’ve hurt yourself like that and your joint is exponentially weaker than it used to be your body automatically compensates to try and protect it from further injury. I feel that I’m unbalanced between both sides but you’d only be able to tell if you were a professional physical therapist or the like.

    Rio also has a slight hiccup going on with his right front, which was my main concern until recently! Now that he’s on the mend I plan on having the vet take a look. AND sounds like I need to do some serious research into INSURANCE
     
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  20. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Notable member

    That still hasn't cleared up all the way? Poor guy!

    I really liked Nationwide but the premium has gotten very expensive. I used Care Credit before for my last boy. It is a credit card but you can use it for both animal and human emergencies and they offer different pay back options at different percentage rates depending on the cost.

    I did not anticipate Moo being my more expensive dog but we're headed that way, I'm sure.
     
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