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House Training vs crate training

Discussion in 'Doberman Puppies' started by NikiL02, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. NikiL02

    NikiL02 Formerly Nlr02 $ Forum Donor $

    Pretty sure Nero is crate trained. He goes in there easily, stays in there all night and has never had an accident in his crate. He only fusses in there when he needs to get out to potty.

    But now how to do we go about house training? Just watch him like a hawk? He had a wet accident after I took him outside already for a number 2 :poop: (which I figured out from watching him.) Obviously I didn't keep him outside long enough to pee too. :( So I can tell when he has to poop generally, but since we don't allow him free reign about the house (he's either gated in or on a leash) so he can't always run to the door either. Right now if he's in the kitchen that's what he does. But it doesn't help downstairs! :down:

     
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  2. AresMyDobie

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    I think it honestly comes with age and knowing their tells. Ares
    Learned to tap on the door when he had to go out. Maybe think of getting a bell and teaching him how to ring it ?
     
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  3. Gelcoater

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    How old is he again?
     
  4. Ingrid H

    Ingrid H $ Forum Donor $ Hot Topics Subscriber

    It sounds like you are doing a great job. Accidents will happen while house training. Yes, watch him like a hawk and take him out all the time. Give plenty of praise for outdoor pees and poops. I really started to wonder if the "new" positive house training methods were going to work because of the accidents. If you've got the crate working, the house is only an extension of that.
     
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  5. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Well it sounds like you are close to having this mastered. Tbne obvious ques are when they wake up it's outside immediately. Each pup can be a little different on how long from when they had water till they pee. Sounds like you have a pretty good eye in him so just watch for his signs he gonna go and head for the door.
    I took Drake out on a leash. We would just calmly walk outside with treats in hand. I would say potty or let's potty and when he did he got the uber excitement and a treat. Didn't take long at all.
     
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  6. NikiL02

    NikiL02 Formerly Nlr02 $ Forum Donor $

    That's what i was thinking because if we're on a different floor, there are 4 in this house, he can't just go to the door.

    16 weeks.
     
  7. NikiL02

    NikiL02 Formerly Nlr02 $ Forum Donor $

    I try to make potty a big deal outside but as Im not the only one taking him out, i notice he doesnt really care for treats right after a potty.

    He really doesnt want to poo in the house and makes a huge deal about needing to go out, but pee not so much. Ive tried to reassure my husband he's just a puppy and will learn, but I guess I also need that reassurance too.
     
  8. Viemarangelrock

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    When it comes to toilet training, it is so much easier, quicker, and far less stressful for everyone if you can ensure that you can prevent possible accidents (by watching him all the time and taking him out at regular intervals - set a timer, every hour) and by rewarding your boy every time he toilets in the right place. Maybe try using a high value treat? I found it sometimes best to mix it up and give a variety of different treats to keep him enthused.

    Setting him up to succeed gives very clear indications of where the toilet is (I choose a particular corner of my garden as a toilet area), because most mistakes occur either because they don't know where they are supposed to go to the toilet or else because we have expected them to hold on for too long.

    He's still very young, and it sounds like you're doing a great job. He will get there...very soon I'm sure.
     
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  9. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber



    Treats don't have to be food. You just have to find that thing that motivates him. Could be a quick game of tug or just simple praise.
     
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  10. Gelcoater

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    16 weeks, you're doing great.

    I do have to sincerely thank you. Your post conjured a funny memory from Daisy's early days.
    She had to have been about the same age or even slightly younger.
    One night I took her out back to go, we were also working hard on the potty breaks/learning to read the signs they need a break.
    It had to have been midnight or later.

    She had done #2 but wouldn't go pee. More interested in sniffing around or tugging on my toe with those sharp little shark teeth.
    Meanwhile I'm standing there dancing, I had to Peeeee!

    Then the lightbulb went off. ;)

    I'm humble enough to admit I just whipped it out and went.
    Upon seeing that she squatted her little red butt and peed and we went in to go to bed.
     
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  11. NikiL02

    NikiL02 Formerly Nlr02 $ Forum Donor $

    I try to praise vs give food treats. He's really food treat motivated right now, and I'm trying to wean him off it. Hubs mucks up some of the training by being "rough" with him. So all the "calm down and let me touch you everywhere" gets thrown out the window each time he's like "try to get me when I touch you." So frustrating!!!! Then it's he sees a hand coming to pet him and it's "gotta get it", and with food in the hand it's worse. Hubs used to be very much about "take it nice" and it's like he's forgotten Nero is still a baby really.
     
  12. NikiL02

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    LOL! Must be nice to be able to do that! ;)
     
  13. Gelcoater

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    Sounds like maybe hubby has a new job. :)

    You're welcome.:D
     
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  14. WiglWerm

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    Although Ruby is crate trained, she is definitely not ready to be unsupervised in the house. Besides chewing everything in sight, I think if she had to go, she would. Spike on the other hand will hold it forever. With age comes wisdom and bladder control! lol When I let her outside I have to make sure she goes pee, she gets distracted by so much stuff and will forget. lol
     
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  15. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I so agree. Della was one we couldn't predict at all and she'd just be walking along or playing and suddenly squat and pee. With the poop it's easier to tell the signs, but the peeing does take a little longer.

    LOL, that probably explains why both of ours pee in a certain spot around the corner of one of our buildings when they go over there. :D
     
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  16. Bashthebluedobe

    Bashthebluedobe New Member

    That's awesome! :thumbsup2: I did the same thing!

    ...but now when I go to the toilet to do that, Bash can't understand why I'm peeing in his water bowl...:rolleyes:
     
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  17. dobiemom17

    dobiemom17 Novitiate

    I've thought about training with the bell on the door but my puppy but I'm afraid that my puppy would just want to play and chew the bell. LOL. I have a male dobie named Zeus and he's 11 weeks old. He seems very strong-willed and we are having a hard time with the potty training. We took him outside to play for 45 minutes and soon as we came back inside he squatted and peed right in front of us. We've done what most people do when they train them, if he potty's inside we tell him "no", take him to the door and say "outside", take him outside and say "go potty." He will come back inside and 10 minutes later he will look straight at us and pee on the floor. He knows he's doing wrong because he will run and hide under our kitchen table. Not sure what else to do.
     
  18. Tropicalbri's

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    Actually he doesn't know he is doing wrong. :)
    As humans we tend to assign human emotions to our dogs. He has learned what your reaction is when he does this and responds by hiding. His behavior is a learned behavior but he has to pee at the moment the urge comes on and if unfortunately that is while he is inside he has learned how you will react.
    Just make sure not to bring him in until he has gone potty and be sure to praise the potty. I would scoop mine up and take them outside when they first wake up, after eating and drinking and after a short play period telling them let's go potty. Then after setting them down in an area that has the smells of their previous potties, they will usually go while I keep saying go potty and praising them when they do.
    Eventually they understand outside is where they potty.
    I didn't make a big deal out of accidents in the house, just pick them up and go outside and tell them potty.
    Be sure you clean up their accidents and then use an enzymatic cleaner to remove any scents left behind (like Nature's Miracle).
    My two only took under well under 2 wks to house train. They never even once messed in their crates thank goodness.

    BTW :welcome:to DCF from Florida and please post pictures. We love puppy pictures here. :thumbsup:
     
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  19. dobiemom17

    dobiemom17 Novitiate

    Thank you for responding. I suppose it all comes with a lot of love, patience and time. I'm still trying to learn this site so I am not sure yet how I add more photos. I will post some as soon as I get the hang of it.
     

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  20. Tropicalbri's

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    Omg that is just too precious. Look at this King of the dishwasher. :rofl::rofl:
     
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