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FDA Names 16 Brands Of Dog Food Linked To Canine Heart Disease

Discussion in 'Doberman Health and News Articles' started by Kay Shaw, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Kay Shaw

    Kay Shaw Hot Topics Subscriber

  2. MyBuddy

    MyBuddy Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Geez, whats left??

    I know, I know, feed raw. But what about people who can't? Or don't want to? They've named just about every food out there!
     
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  3. Antman408

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    Surprised the sponsors of the study weren’t listed in the article. Cough cough. Purina, hills, royal canin. Yah know the good food!
     
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  4. strykerdobe

    strykerdobe Hot Topics Subscriber

    We go to the Cardiologist for Yago's 6mo recheck Echo. We will ask her some questions and any updates about this again. She was one of the vets who is suppling the FDA and others with data.

    On one of his past appointments she did say please tell me that you are not feeding Grain Free. I said no Doc we have been feeding Raw for years!
    I did tell her on previous appointments that its simple. Dogs should eat meat, organs and bone. Not all the 40-60% carbs and plants that are in pet foods today!
     
  5. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Active Member

    Even this list is misleading, though, as all of these brands have grain-free and non-grain-free formulas. This is a 30,000 ft view. EDIT: this article is from July.

    No doubt this is why 'grain free' is such a popular claim. Folks assume there's more meat in it :rolleyes:
     
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  6. My2Girls

    My2Girls Notable member

    Yes, I believe this is the same list that is in the original thread linking DCM and grain-Free foods.
     
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  7. Kay Shaw

    Kay Shaw Hot Topics Subscriber

    I wasn’t sure I just wanted to make sure people saw it and were aware. One of my clients who is a dobie owner just saw it and was telling me about it. So I thought it would be helpful. Sorry if it’s the same information from a previous post.
     
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  8. My2Girls

    My2Girls Notable member

    No worries. It’s kinda buried in a long thread anyway and we’ve had many new members join recently so it’s good information to have. If you want to search the original post you can read about the report that lead to the list. After the report came out I was one of the many that switched to a grain kibble.
     
  9. Rodyboy

    Rodyboy Jr Member

    I checked out food for Buddy and use Diamond dog food and when I read about Origen it had the ingredients that were on the list for DCM. I know a lot of people are going raw and I don't blame them for doing so, but I don't want to do that either, pros and cons of everything. The one thing about Diamond is they show you how they changed the ingredients to drop legumes and potatoes. Nothing is safe, you just have to do what you think is best for your fur partner. I get it from Chewy.com and you can read what is in it before you buy. I know the feeling:scratch:
     
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  10. GennyB

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    Here's a link with a bit more info. No doubt it's where the news station in the link based their piece on.
    FDA Investigates Potential Link Between Diet & Heart Disease in Dogs
     
  11. Rits

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  12. Rits

    Rits Admin Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I too switched foods to be safe. There was no harm done for us to change until this all blew over. I still stuck to my no corn wheat or soy when switching. I now avoid peas being towards the top for source of protein. It irks me that plant matter is being used to boost protein % in place of meat.

    People asked back then "why change", because your dogs food is being changed right under your nose! Companies were trying to lower their cost by replacing meat for peas. The result is killing dogs for some reason. Possibly a bit of genetics and "woopsie we didn't know thatd happen" from food companies. Just like the taurine scare a long time ago for cats.
     
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  13. My2Girls

    My2Girls Notable member

    I just switched to my 2 brand of grain kibble and I like how Victor breaks out were the % of protein comes from.
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  14. MyBuddy

    MyBuddy Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    First off, this is MADDENING. The fact that companies change this and then kill our dogs and say, whoops. Sorry! :cus:

    You start to not trust ANYthing. So when they do this....
    How do we know if it's actually correct?

    Maddening, I tell you! Years ago I used to say that China was killing our animals. Now I don't trust anyone.
     
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  15. strykerdobe

    strykerdobe Hot Topics Subscriber

    I will have to do more investigating on these %'s.
    Looking on Victor's website I still figure the amount of carbs in their food to be in the 40% or more?
    I always look at the amount of Carbs in a food. Because dogs don't need carbs is such large amounts.
    Because Starch=Carbs=Sugar

    Because manufactures need to add some kind of Starch (be it Potato's, Peas and others) in Kibble foods to hold the Kibble together.
    Wolf's diets only had about 6 to maybe 10% Carbs in their diets.

    To calculate the amount of carbs in any dry Kibble foods you do this.
    Protein + Fat + Moisture + Fiber + Ash = Carbs
    If Ash is not listed then a reasonable amount of Ash to add is about 6%.
     
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  16. Rodyboy

    Rodyboy Jr Member

    I can not get frantic about this, but I don't understand feeding a carnivore apples, berries, potatoes, sweet potatoes etc. Rachel Ray commercials made me laugh. Dogs are NOT people, so why a human diet? It makes no sense. The only thing we can do is keep ourselves informed and make the best educated guess on what to feed. Older dogs such as JanS will develop some problems, be they heart, joint whatever. We have to remember we have a large breed, they do not live forever, and I don't think there is an owner on this site not doing their best for their best friend. It is hard today, all that matters is money, and the dog food industry gets caught in that also. Not to blame them, but where can we cut costs to cover this increase in our recipe. Not done on purpose, just not enough research before they change. One thing can throw anything out of balance. Just keep on keeping on, we are doing our best,right?
     
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  17. My2Girls

    My2Girls Notable member

    Have you seen the insect based dog food? Crazy!!
     
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  18. strykerdobe

    strykerdobe Hot Topics Subscriber

    How about the all Vegan dog food! :facepalm::rp: WT:censored:
     
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  19. strykerdobe

    strykerdobe Hot Topics Subscriber

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    FDA Investigation into Heart Disease in Dogs: Where Are We in September, 2020?

    September 10, 2020 / Nutrition / By Hemopet

    FDA Investigation into Heart Disease in Dogs: Where Are We in September, 2020? | Hemopet

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    In July 2018, the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced its investigation focusing on grain-free dog foods that may possibly cause heart disease in dogs – specifically dilated cardiomyopathy (DCM). Approximately one year later, the FDA updated its findings by implicating 16 brands of grain-free dog food that were based on voluntary reported frequency, and then went radio silent. Remember that: voluntary reported frequency.

    We, at Hemopet, wrote extensively on the subject and you can read our past posts here:

    July 29, 2018: Dodds Responds to FDA Statement on Canine Heart Disease, Taurine Deficiency and Potential Dietary Causes

    October 14, 2018: Articles Circulating about Heart Disease in Dogs

    January 7, 2019: Dilated Cardiomyopathy (Heart Disease) in Dogs and Why Some Dogs Eat “Exotic” Ingredients

    February 25, 2019: FDA Updates on Heart Disease in Dogs

    July 8, 2019: Hemopet Responds to the FDA Implicating 16 Brands of Dog Food That May Cause Heart Disease in Dogs (provides a timeline of events)

    We, too, went radio silent except for our blog post titled, “Dilated Cardiomyopathy in Dogs: Study on Protein Source” in September 2019. We went radio silent because the noise was deafening, and we wanted definitive answers from the FDA – not from the group of researchers who first loudly speculated without research documentation that grain-free and/or exotic ingredients were causing DCM in dogs.

    So, where are we in September, 2020?
    No one has heard from the FDA on the subject of DCM in dogs and possibly a connection to certain dog foods. Granted, SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, has possibly shifted the attention of the agency’s Center for Veterinary Medicine.

    But now after alarming everyone 15 months ago, this situation is becoming ridiculous. We are now reading accounts from overwhelmed pet companion caregivers that were led to believe that grain-free dog foods were causing heart disease in their companion dogs.

    We can no longer be silent as others continue to speculate and mislead the pet caregiver community.

    Taurine
    First of all, DCM is complicated and possibly one of the biggest current mysteries in veterinary medicine. What we do know is that DCM can occur when an insufficient amount of the amino acids cysteine and methionine are ingested, which dogs use to synthesize taurine in the liver. Taurine is important as it prevents or slows the progression of DCM.

    Regarding nutrition, no one knows for sure if it is a specific food ingredient, a group of foods or the interaction between foods. Of course, we need to factor into the equation breed disposition and genetics as well. There have been numerous studies completed with various combinations of proteins and grains, which we detail in several of our blog posts listed above.

    In June 2019, it was reported at the AAVN Clinical Nutrition & Research Symposium that, “Although initially thought to be related to taurine, the majority of (DCM) cases reported to the FDA are not taurine-deficient.” The person – who had brought the national attention to this topic and then admitted this new finding – continued with caveats and personal findings.

    Additionally, the FDA states on its investigation’s webpage, “Nearly all the grain-free products had methionine-cystine values above the minimum nutritional requirement of 0.65 percent for adult maintenance food for dogs published in the Association of American Feed Control Officials (AAFCO) Official Publication.”

    The University of Illinois
    Typically, grain-fee dog foods have high levels of peas, lentils, other legume seeds (pulses), and/or potatoes in various forms to replace the grains.

    At the same symposium last year, researchers from the University of Illinois presented findings that we believe have been seriously overlooked.

    • 90-day, controlled study
    • 12 adult, female beagles
    • Randomly assigned to either a 45% green lentil diet or a poultry by‐product meal diet
    • Both diets met AAFCO standards
    • Results: no significant differences were found in taurine or amino acid concentrations between the two diets
    Of course, that is just green lentils. As we stated before, no one knows if it is a specific food ingredient or the interaction of foods in the body. Remember all of the grain-free dog foods – from peas to potatoes – were lumped and implicated together prematurely.

    Remember, again, the FDA is only gathering evidence of known cases of DCM in dogs. While this work is important, the agency is not gathering evidence of dogs not diagnosed with DCM and that are eating grain-free or exotic diets.

    Industry Pushback
    Companies and consortiums of grain-free food manufacturers have hired researchers to look into the question if their products are, in fact, contributing to increased incidents of DCM in dogs. Granted, their responses could reflect company bias. However, in this instance, we think it is worthwhile, as some of the researchers – who first brought the international attention to grain-free and “exotic” ingredients as possible causes of DCM without evidence to the forefront – had and have financial ties with major pet food companies.

    In the links below, these researchers review and critique the studies that have been performed into the possible dietary and non-dietary causes of DCM in dogs.

    Special topic: The association between pulse ingredients and canine dilated cardiomyopathy: addressing the knowledge gaps before establishing causation

    Review of canine dilated cardiomyopathy in the wake of diet-associated concerns

    Again, where are we in September of 2020?
    We are nowhere closer to having the appropriate and correct answers. This is going to take some time.

    Remember, if you’ve stopped feeding grains to your companion dog, think back to the many reasons why you stopped. It could be to prevent leaky gut syndrome, to help curb food sensitivities or intolerances to a particular grain, to maintain optimal weight in your dog, etc.

    If you are worried, we understand. We suggest having your veterinarian take a blood sample to measure the methionine, cysteine and taurine levels in both whole blood and plasma, and send it to a diagnostic laboratory (University of California – Davis or University of Wisconsin) experienced with the appropriate reference ranges for circulating taurine. If the levels are lower than normal for dogs, please discuss the appropriate next steps with your veterinarian. Please send the information on your dog, including the food you are feeding, breed, health regarding DCM and retinal degradation, age and weight to the FDA. You and your dog would potentially be helping millions of other dogs.
     
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