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Doberman Rescue

Discussion in 'Rescue & Adoption' started by Ddski5, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. Ddski5

    Ddski5 Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    My one question to those that have Rescue Dobermans is that do you find any quirks or malady’s that still hold on to your Doberman after you have provided a stable, caring environment?


    I would also be interested to know if there was anything you had to do special or out of the ordinary to “normalize” you Doberman to your household?
     
  2. Ddski5

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    My story thus far:

    So we have a Doberman Gulf Coast Rescue organization down here that my wife and girls follow. They want another Doberman because:
    1. Ragnar is immensely velcro to me and not them.
    2. They want a Doberman that is a snuggler and will cuddle. Ragnar will rarely do this, just not the type.
    3. They want Ragnar to have a running buddy to keep him company.

    My wife does not necessarily want a new puppy- I don’t think she could handle the DoberShark and Doberteen stages again.... “they” are looking for a red female 1-2yrs old.

    Funny thing is I did not know they were actively looking until I received an email notification from the Rescue, that the information “I” submitted, expressed that I do not have a home with a good vet record. Apparently, wife and girls submitted an adoption application on a red female that was just found on the streets.

    Well, not that I am trying to actively adopt- really don’t think we are ready for another, soccer season is going to be very tough this year. Places like Vegas, W Virginia, Colorado, NC, Texas will be alot of traveling for us but the girls/wife assured me that they can do it.....I don’t think they have a clue what they are getting themselves into and I’m going to have to take the reins when the situation gets out of their control. I could be wrong and prob so but unless I am actively participating I can’t tell if they are doing it right.

    Back to the Rescue email, I guess the Rescue folks called the Vet and received info that:
    1. They have no evidence that I buy heart worm meds- not true, I bought a 8month supply from the other vet before I left them for current.
    2. I choose not to continue vaccines after 1yr old- instead I paid $230 for Titer testing that all stated Ragnar had antibodies that were enough for him NOT to need another round of vaccines. $230 is significantly cheaper than the round of vaccines the vet wanted to give.
    3. I do not heart worm test- not true, I just received affirmation from the Vet that Ragnar is heart worm negative.

    I sent a decently nice email back to them stating the mis-information and so far have not gotten anything back. I don’t know if they don’t agree with my ideas about titer testing vs re-vacc and they culled me out based on that or what is going on.

    Not that I am pressing to adopt one now..... but I am debating on following through and emailing again not only to clear my name of being a neglectful owner but also set them clear in case they find a nice red female.....

    Prob wait until Monday and see what happens.

    But back to my original questions:

    1. To those that have Rescue Dobermans, do you find any quirks or malady’s that still hold on to your Doberman after you have provided a stable, caring environment?

    2. Was there anything you had to do special or out of the ordinary to “normalize” you Doberman to your household?
     
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  3. My2Girls

    My2Girls Notable member

    I can’t help you with the rescue information but I would definitely call your vet to have them update your records. Even if this doesn’t work out and you apply for another your vet needs to correct this.

    Prior to Princess we tried to adopt several puppies and by the time they were posted on the rescue site they were already adopted. I’m sure it will be different for an “older” pup but just wanted to let you know - don’t get too attached to the photos and descriptions- we got our hopes up and hearts broken several time. But in the end we ended up right where we needed to be. Good luck. I’m excited for you guys.
     
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  4. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    My experience with rescues is they can be a PITA. Unless you have been established in their group and have all your i's dotted and t's crossed they won't consider you. I understand they must have rules because they are trying to stop dogs from being repeatedly rehomed, but I can't help but think there is a lack of common sense sometimes.
    I took in rescues for years and the organization was very familiar with me and the home any dog would get. Then one day they closed their doors and our next dog was going to come from a new place. OMG! The hoops I had to jump and was still turned down. Same reason as you. My last dog had cancer and we stopped vaccinating because what was the point?
    We were trying to adopt an old dog that just needed to live his last days knowing love. He died alone in a kennel and I never darkened their doors again.
    If I were you, I'd start looking at breeders that have pups returned or want to rehome a bitch they have used to breed. That's where our Sweet G came from and we never regretted it for a minute.
     
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  5. Gelcoater

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    Rocky has a couple of quirks.
    One.
    Someone already in his path before us trained him really well to NOT be on a human bed.
    Try as we might to invite him up, if he does jump up, after that all he wants is off!

    When he doesn’t feel well, he’s a bit stand off-ish. Tends to want to be outside.

    It took ALOT longer to bond with him than Daisy from a puppy.
    And to this day the bond isn’t quite as strong, although he gives a little more all the time.
    He’s close to 8 years old now, he came to us at about 1.5 years old, and into a home with a fiery red head Doberman.
    She is gone now.
    He had to learn all over how to live, like we did. That did help a lot with him learning his (essentially 4th) new life.
    He’s been off leash in the desert with several other dogs for a week. No correction or wandering really.
    Periphery camp site wandering at most.



    On normalizing.
    Every case will be different.
    Rocky had no idea of stairs.
    He had no idea of a doggy door.
    He’s a master now, lol.

    And, to this day still hates car travel.
    Be open to recognize some things may be related to change, and some are just who they are.
    Daisy was scared to death of wind and fireworks.
    Rocky, the rescue couldnt give one :censored: less about either.

    You can read his whole story here on DC
    It was a bit of a “rocky” beginning, lol.
    And, I mostly blame my own lack of experience and judgement for that Rocky start.
    I got a lot of help, right here.
     
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  6. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I very much agree here since I know you're an extremely responsible dog owner and you don't need that mark on your records.

    I would also remind your family that you need to be involved in something as important as this so all of the correct info is submitted, or you could have a permanent mark on your records in the future.
     
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  7. Oh Little Oji

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    Oh my. Guess it's not just breeders that can be self-righteous, spooky, powertrippin fools.

    Good luck.

    So, what level of soccer involves such extensive travel?
     
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  8. Gelcoater

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    It’s one of those damn if they do damn if they don’t situations.

    When we got Rocky we signed a legal and binding contract for his future should we not be able to care for him.
    It’s not entirely a bad thing.
     
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  9. Oh Little Oji

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    Yeah. I know it's not entirely bad. :thumbsup2:
     
  10. MischasMomma

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    I volunteer with a local doberman rescue. I'm curious to know if you hear back from them! The one I work with would absolutely respond to your clarification email, and may ask for proof of what you claim, but would absolutely take it into consideration and re evaluate. The vet reference is typically the first step in the application process.

    Typically "quirks" can be tied to the dog, although some are definitely situational as well. Depending on the severity of the situation, and the age of the dog, quirks can absolutely stick around, but can also just as easily disappear. This really depends on the dog itself.

    As far as "normalizing", this again depends on the dog. If the dog was in foster before being adopted, most foster moms and dads (at least in our organization) work on basic training and manners, and socialization, so the dog is as "normal" as possible before being placed. We also keep in contact with new owners and offer training resources for as long as the new owners need it, and try to help make the transition as smooth as possible. We do tend to be picky about adopters because we want this home to be their last home, and not need to come back into rescue. Some dogs we will let go to unfenced yards, others we require a fence. Some we wont let go to homes with cats, while others we will. This is why we try to put as many as possible into a foster family first, to get a good read on the dogs personality and quirks, so we can match with the best possible home.

    Rescues differ from shelters because a shelter you can usually walk in, say "I want that one!" pay a fee and take a new dog home. Rescues are sure to match to a good home, so just because you see one you like, doesnt mean they will agree that dog is the best match for you.

    Sorry that got so long! I hope this helps some though!! if you any other rescue questions, feel free to reach out! I'll try my best to help!
     
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  11. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    :spit: Omg they didn’t waste any time did they! No guarantee the new one will be a cuddler either. No matter what I do, Kaiser and Kat love my hb like nothing else. But a rescue Doberman might be more likely to appreciate their new life.

    Regarding bonding, the one doing the training will always be the number 1. We used to have a pretty good balance, but not any more, I’m simply not getting the same quality or quantity of time with him.

    What about joining your local Doberman Facebook group and seeing what pops up? I’ve seen Dobermans on fb and other online resellers. In some ways, you’re better off finding a good Dober off those platforms versus rescues where they need to KNOW you.

    I totally agree that you should have your record corrected.
     
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  12. Oh Little Oji

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    I didn't realize that was a thing. Have you found it to be a positive experience?
     
  13. Ddski5

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    @Oh Little Oji
    My little one (14y/o) is a pretty good player. She made the state ODP (Olympic Development) program and almost made the Regional Olympic team.

    She recently was accepted onto a team (La Fire Juniors 05girls) that won State Championship, NPL Championship and USYS Southern Regional Finalist. So in doing that, the team will move up in rankings and play in the National League, Mid-South conference and WAGS.

    (TLDR): too long didn’t read
    Tristen was accepted on a comp1 level team that did extremely well last year winning state, regionals and nationals.
     
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  14. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I should add that after owning several dobies (2 of which were rescues) and training Rue to be my service dog, I think that there is nothing you can't over come with the right tools and training. Sure there are dogs with quirky temperaments that just can't be fixed. Those dogs don't make it to the point of being adoptable.
    My Goober Girl, Greta was one of my rescues. While I did not go through an organization to get her. (I basically stole her out of someones backyard) she became one of the best dogs ever! She suffered lots of abuse before she came to her forever home. Her owners got her as a puppy and didn't understand they had to teach her the rules. If she made a mess in the house, they burned her with a cigarette. Those burns eventually became infected and she wore the scares for the rest of her life.
    One day I got a call from a friend that she was in trouble. I went there to find her unable to stand and throwing up relentlessly. I grabbed her and took her to the closet emergency vet where it was determined that she was fed a lethal dose of ibuprofen. She was in liver and kidney failure and the Vet didn't think she could save her. I said can we just try? We did and she survived and came home to recover. She had mange, mites and infected burns that need to heal on top of her internal problems. More than one person thought I was crazy for trying to save this girl but something about the look in her eyes said I had to try. I did and she went on to prove I made the right decision.
    Goobs was 9 months old when I brought her home. She didn't have a lick of training, not even house trained but she went on to become the most obedient girl. Everything you want in a dog, loyal, obedient, protective and the most loving thing you ever met.
    This forum has plenty stories of how great this girl became. I find myself reading them from time to time because although she has been gone for over 3 years, I still miss her...
    @JanS caught this shot of her on one of the many times she walked up tp me for a hug.
    I need a hug.jpg
     
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  15. Ddski5

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    @JanS
    @Kaiser2016
    I know the reason why they did this. We had this discussion many times and I always tell them, “we are not ready, nor do I have the time to train another”.....

    They are linked on this Rescue Facebook site and get these pictures/read the sad stories of the Dobermans recently picked up. They get all worked up and into a frenzy about saving them. They all truly have good hearts and if we could, they would run a dog/cat plantation and just take care of neglected animals.

    Anyways, they get to looking on this site and if they see a red female, they know they may have a chance with me....even though I say no to them, they know that if I come home to a neglected animal, there is no way I will send them back. That’s how we acquired two of three cats we have.
     
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  16. LifeofRubie

    LifeofRubie Active Member

    The love/hate relationship with rescues! When I was looking to adopt via rescue, they asked for references which I was happy to give them. They asked my references if being a 27 year old meant that I was 'capable' of taking care of a dog :woot2: Implying I was too irresponsible and unstable essentially.

    It never would've worked because I lived in an apartment with no fenced yard. I actually found Tobie on Pet Finder, I'll admit. He came from a busy family with two toddlers so while he didn't have bad quirks (other than zero leash manners and being terrible in the car), he loved children, only came up onto the bed when invited, didn't need to be crated, and just adored all the doting and adventures I could offer him that his previous family could not. He did come with an unexpected minor health issue but it was resolved quickly within a couple of weeks of me having him.

    The best thing you can do when you bring ANY new dog into a house is keep your routine. It took Tobie a few weeks to learn our routine but then he settled in and blossomed. Just like with a new puppy, you need to make your expectations clear and consistent. Dogs are wildly adaptable!
     
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  17. Ddski5

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    @Viemarangelrock

    I have been waiting since you have one of my favorite rescues I know of with Tara.....

    Your thoughts??
     
  18. Ddski5

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    On the way home I stopped at the vet’s office and told them about the inaccurate information given out to the Rescue. They were very apologetic and the Vet said she was personally going to call the Rescue and set things right.

    If you ever watched Pit Bull Parolees on tv, the Vet they used “Cypress Lake Vet” is the same Vet I use. Kinda cool that they help out like that.

    So if she sets things right and I am a candidate again, then I have another question for y’all....

    If Ragnar is 2yrs old, what age female would you recommend?
    The same age as him at 2?
    One that is 12-15months?
    Or better to wait when he is 3y/o and try to get 12-24months?

    Just curious as to have some knowledge to ward off the treacherous-mutiny engaged females in my house.
     
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  19. Kaiser2016

    Kaiser2016 Active Member

    I have seen people mention that they are looking to rehome due to not being able to give the Doberman the time that they once could, whether it’s housing, jobs, or children. So it is possible to get one without the ‘hassle’ of being interrogated. Also places like Kijiji and Craigs List. Seems there are people that simply have dog or cat but aren’t part of any ‘network’ OR they simply want to sell the animal instead of surrendering it.
     
  20. Viemarangelrock

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    I’m here. Was going to post late last night but i knew I needed to dedicate some proper time to this reply. Lol

    Oh my, where to start...

    Tara settled into our home quite quickly and easily, but sometimes her ‘baggage’ (bad history) takes a lot of work, and much dedication, to unpack.
    Rehabilitating her requires patience and realistic expectations. Providing her with a stable, calm environment, and protection from her fear triggers are needed to build her confidence and trust.
    I’m not going to sugarcoat it, at all. We have our daily battles with her. You see, she’s a different dog inside to outside of the house. She’s been desperately under socialised. She’s hyper-vigilant. She’s an absolute ‘demon’ if I get too close to another dog, even a stranger..... I’m a pretty good scanner but sometimes a dog and owner meet you at a corner or something similar. She’ll act out with fear ‘aggression’ until I can get a safe distance away from that other dog and person. Now, this is the crazy part....when she’s ‘Canicrossing’ she’ll run past 12-15 dogs (close proximity) on a regular run and she NEVER reacts! We are of the understanding that she’s so focused on her ‘job’ that nothing else matters.
    She will not greet new people. She’s comfortable with close family members only. Not a bad thing really.
    Her abuse from the hands of her ‘owner’, will affect her for the rest of her life. It’s so deeply rooted in her, I see it. She’ll never be completely turned-around. It takes time to help her learn to look at the world differently and develop trust in humans again. It has taken knowledge, hard work and commitment to transform her into a much-loved member of our family… but she can’t be reborn.
    We have to remind ourselves of that. I honestly believe if a dog has been exposed to negative
    experiences they can’t ‘unlearn’
    despite our best efforts.


    From experience of both Tara & Max....

    A rescue dog is a dog that has at some point been failed by humans. Some are cruelty cases from neglect to abuse while others have been passed around from pillar to post developing many issues along the way. They very often have little or no training and have no idea what is expected of them or how to behave. Their social skills are lacking as they have never felt the security and safety from their human to realise that everything around them isn't a danger or a threat. The majority have no manners, nobody ever taught them to sit or not to jump up and what we expect of them. When food is around they might turn into thieves and openly raid the worktops taking everything in sight because in their mind that's what they have always done and no one ever taught them not to. They don't understand that yesterday they starved but today they can eat. They don't understand that you will love them but the person before beat them.

    They need time and understanding and a whole bucket full of patience. Taking on a broken soul to mend isn't easy or instant. Are they worth it? To find their soul and gain their trust is more than you will ever know but it doesn't always come easily and the WHOLE family have to commit 100 %!!! No exceptions!!!

    I have much much more to add...I’ll do so tomorrow:)
     
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