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Breeder in Maryland

Discussion in 'Doberman Breeders' started by cuda567, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. cuda567

    cuda567 New Member

    Hi everyone, I am new to this site and would like some opinions on a breeder I am thinking about purchasing a doberman from.
    We are looking for a healthy, strong companion with good temperment and not necssarily a show dog
    Please let me know your thoughts, I would really like to get a doberman from a responsible breeder.

    Thanks for your help in advance


  2. Oh Little Oji

    Oh Little Oji Formerly Tad Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Welcome! What is the name of the breeder?
  3. strykerdobe

    strykerdobe Hot Topics Subscriber

  4. cuda567

    cuda567 New Member

    The site is located at the home button on my original post
  5. Oh Little Oji

    Oh Little Oji Formerly Tad Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    Why not type the name for us then?
  6. Rits

    Rits Admin Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    LoyalBlitz Dobermans
  7. Rits

    Rits Admin Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    To me it looks good. Health testing is done on both parents. There are confo and performance titles. This is their first dobe and litter, so something to keep in mind but it looks like they may be mentored under Shadeko dobes. Just be upfront and honest with them in what you are looking for out of your pup and they should match you with one that fits your lifestyle.

    CH Shadeko's Rainbow Lightning CD RN CA CGC TKA WAC ROM
    Health: Hips OFA Excellent; vWD Carrier; Cardio - 24 hour Holter normal - 2 PVCs (Dec 2017) and Echo normal (Jan 2018); Thyroid full panel normal (March 2018), Full and proper dentition

    GCH Lyndobe's All-In-One
    Health: vWD Clear; OFA Good; Thyroid Normal; Full & Proper Dentition, Black Type #3 (no dilution); DCM DNA #1-Negative; DCM DNA #2-Heterozygous; Ding Negative

    News and Upcoming Litters
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  8. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Do you know how to research pedigrees? I'd be searching the heck out of them, and asking tons of questions.
    Look for longevity in the pedigree as well as cause of death. The good news is LoyalBlitz puts the links to pedigrees right on the website, makes it easy for you.
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  9. Rits

    Rits Admin Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Yes, it would be a good idea to at least look at the ped of any breeding 4 gens back at the least. On the Dams side is the very popular sire, Ravenswoods Azure Sky "Blue" who died of cardio.

    If you do look elsewhere, make sure you don't purchase from a buyer where you cannot research the pedigree.

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  10. Ddski5

    Ddski5 Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    A positive here is that they provide access for you to research information you desire.

    I think this info gives you adequate sources for you- “We also have to thank the various trainers and handlers that have helped us in our journey, including Karen Bryant, Kelly Marquis, Shawnee Rustad, Caroline Lewis, and Tim Corun.” Google these people and contact them.

    Looking through the pedigree I recognize Cambria and Ravenswoods.

    With confirmation from those folks I would call....this breeder looks very good to me.

    Anyway you could go onsite, look at their establishment and meet the dam/sire? Not only would that help you but it would let the breeder know of your serious concern and interest.
  11. cuda567

    cuda567 New Member

    Wow, I do appreciate all the help, there is so much info to wrap my head around. Im learning and do not want to jump without understanding what all this means. I thought I did my due diligence with my minpin but I think I was a little ignorant and do not want that to happen again. So can you go back through a dogs pedigree and determine when the dog died and why?
    Also I do plan on making the trip to see the dam, do you think I should also see the sire? they are in different locations.
  12. Rits

    Rits Admin Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Yes, with the use of Dobequest you can so long as the breeder decided to list the Call of Death (which they should IMO but it often either gets forgotten or some decide not to reveal which makes you then wonder...).

    You can follow the links this breeder has included, or look it up yourself with the registered name put into dobequest.org. Then click on the "Pedigree" box to see the entire ped and click through the dogs to review. You can dig even further to see if any siblings of sires or dams died at a young age and what of.

    If you see a number at the end like "10L" that means the dog has entered into the longevity program and made it to the age of 10, the L is for Living and D is for Death. If you see a lot of this thats a good sign of longevity in that pedigree.

    Dobequest:Dog Profile Page
    Dobequest:Dog Profile Page
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  13. JanS

    JanS DCF Owner Administrative Staff Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I just wanted to welcome you. I don't have anything to add to the good info you've received so far but it's great you're doing your research.
  14. Archer

    Archer Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    I commend you for doing your research. Looked into the breeder. The Pedigree of the bitch alone would make me walk away as there is early cardiac death in multiple generations in a five generation pedigree, including a huge contributor to the disease. If you are still interested in this litter I strongly advise you talking to the breeder about her intention behind this particular breeding.
  15. cuda567

    cuda567 New Member

    Thanks for looking and please excuse my ignorance, I am very new to this... I am not sure how to tell what a huge contributor of the disease is or how to locate that in a pedigree could you explain? could you also explain to me what age early cardiac death is considered? I attached the pedigree of the female and listed all causes of death and age, do you typically go back further and is this what you look at to determine a good pedigree?

    Dropbox - 222.pdf
  16. Archer

    Archer Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Of course! You can visit Dobequest.com and search dogs in the pedigree. You want to look at COD and age at death on each dog four generations back. The issue that I have with the pedigree is on the side of the bitch. I assume you researched both sides, however.

    When a dog has multiple offspring die of hereditary conditions (cardiac issues run in this breed), especially conditions that plague the breed, they are considered a huge contributor. BISS GCh Ravenwood’s Azure Sky “Blue” passed from arrhythmic induced cardiomyopathy and several of his offspring have also passed of the same thing at the ages of 5-7. This is the dog in the pedigree I am refering to and I know him and his breeder and therefore his history well. He contributed a lot to this breed both conformationally and temperament wise, but he is a known producer of cardiac disease.

    Honestly, the pedigree of this litter is nice. The health issues in the pedigree aren’t. This is why I would ask the breeder what their reasoning for the pairing was. A breeder should always strive to produce conformationally correct and behaviorally sound dogs and strive for longevity. Breeding known health issues into a pedigree is not doing that.
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  17. cuda567

    cuda567 New Member

    Thanks so much for pointing out those issues, I also noticed that the bitch has the pdk4 mutation which doesn't sit very well with me.
    I have been looking through alot of pedigrees from different dobies and have not seen any as complete as these 2 dogs. Alot of them are missing COD and also what they died from, could this be they are hiding things? or just not following up with paperwork.. maybe a little of both. Its frustrating when your looking for a solid dog and cant find any info on the pedigree.
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  18. Oh Little Oji

    Oh Little Oji Formerly Tad Hot Topics Subscriber $ Forum Donor $

    I have found that a lot of Dobermans are not on Dobequest. Dobequest seems to me to generally only include Dobermans from conformation lines.

    There is another site that I have dabbled in, called workingdog.eu. To get much information from it, you have to sign up.
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  19. GennyB

    GennyB Moderator Hot Topics Subscriber

    Yes a search for a pup can be a challenging, frustrating experience but the effort should be worth it.
    BTW, I understand your concern about the pdk4 mutation. Keep in mind it could mean nothing. There are dogs with both DCM1 and 2 that never get DCM. Then there are dogs without either that do. We just don't know enough yet. My boy in my avatar tested negative for both and was diagnosed a year ago with Occult DCM. :( All you can do is what you are doing and then educate (and test)yourself about potential precautions.
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  20. cuda567

    cuda567 New Member

    So sorry to hear about your boy GennyB. We are going through some hard times with our minature pinscher, he was diagnosed with liver failure and given 1 month to live and we refused to give up on him and started making his food and treats and went to a holistic vet and we are on week 36 and he is doing very good. He has his good days and bad days but we are so happy he is still with us. This is one of the reasons we started looking for another dog, not sure we could lose one and not have another.

    I do understand its very difficult to know if a dog is going to develop a disease, but when I see some issues on a dogs pedigree from past dogs I would rather not take the chance. I would almost rather not look at a pedigree, then I wouldn't obsess over wondering if my dog is going to get the same ailments.

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