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Doberman, in itself, is a mixture of breeds; we just don't know what breeds did Karl used. Some says GSDs, some Rotties, some Beaucerons, some German Pins. So I would not be surprised if two recessive genes comes out when they are matched. Hence why they call it "recessive". So these "doberman...

Wow! So for someone who is so devoted to standards and health of your Luna, and you don't know anything about how important COI is, and why you should be obsessed about it? Aside from that, like I said, I've read from page 1 of this thread, and a lot of claiming you health test your dogs, so...

When you are trying to diversify the gene pool, introduce a fresh blood to dilute the bottleneck, you will get natural mutation occurences and coat color diversity. One person was bold enough to do this to a dalmatian in order to solve/lessen the uric acid problem, and bred a dalmatian to an...

So you'd rather turn your back here, instead of answering my two questions about your dogs and prove me wrong? I didn't even said that you have to pretend to be an expert. You can believe with breed standards all day long, but at the end of the day, does your dog came from a bottleneck gene...

No, I'm not offended. Again, as I said, I'm just stating the fact here... Whether I'm an expert or not, is irrelevant. You still didn't answer my questions.

Okay first, I didn't come here to agitate. I came here because I was looking to get more information about this coat color, and lo and behold, I found this thread. I read through from the first page all the way to the last thread comment. Second, I wasn't defending the breeder. I am merely...

It's more like ya'll here are the ones butthurt. You claimed your dogs are health tested, right? Then what's your dog COI? What are your dogs "at risk" or carrier? Common, be honest... I bought one recessive red from Philippines too, from the only kennel who is doing Embark. They shared to me...