Bite Pillow Fun

I swear, Asha continues to seem like Oji's soul sister.

That demand barking reminds me of Oji's and my retrieving sessions. Did you mount your camera or phone on something? I want to record one of our crazy sessions. I wear ear plugs. He jumps up and down (I think often coming 4-off-the-floor) and barks at my face. He hasn't been doing quite as much snapping at me or even grabbing the fabric of my sleeves, but he's a nut job. This is just for a few short throws of a ball.

I do his tug biting in conjunction with the heel. I have him heel along for a while, and hit an acceptable sit before I let him hit the tug.

Just a note: You're a lot stronger than I assumed you were! :)
 
You're a lot stronger than I assumed you were
LOL, never assume. :cool: But, that said, I've lost a lot of strength the last 10 years and I can only swing Asha the one direction.:thumbdown:

Yes, I got a nice camera tripod at the thrift store for about $5. I have a real camera that has the screw in base for the tripod, but they make a phone holder that screws into any (standard) tripod, then you clamp your phone to that. The phone attachment thing was another $5 new, at Walmart. We'd all love to see Oji show his stuff!

I use the tug or pillow play for reward after obedience. She gets too amped up to have a tug or ball in hand while we work. I'm still trying to un-do forging because I didn't know what I was doing when trying to train that way. I'll get some more videos of our training games. Everything we do with the bite toys involves self discipline on her part, such as heeling past it on the ground. I have clear rules on playing bitey games - she has to out with one command is the biggest one and she's not messed with that rule for a long time now.

I'd give anything for a club close by, I love the club I was going to in AZ but the driving, the gas & the time was draining. I'm still aiming for a BH, but can't commit to IGP at this point. Sad thing is Asha is soooo cut out for it, but at least she doesn't know what she's missing.
 
What is with them stepping on our feet!? She's looking good! Love her figuring it out on her own to get access to the pillow!
 
What is with them stepping on our feet!?
Haha, it's a Doberman thing, yes? She didn't do it until she got that rhythm going. I did encourage the rhythm with my head nod, I'll be fading that as fast as I can. This is my pretend-like hold and bark. For this dog, it wasn't hard to encourage. :rofl:
 
Wow good work! The jumping, that's another Doberman thing :rolleyes: but it should come under control as you train. The paw stomping made me smile and cringe lol because they don't know their own strength - you need steel toed boots! Loved seeing her speed coming back into the camera view towards the end.
 
She looks fantastic! Now she is getting what you are looking for I wonder how long before she tries this tactic in other circumstances. You know what I mean. "Is that chicken!,can I have chicken!!,I'll try all my tricks!" :biggrin:
 
We'd all love to see Oji show his stuff!
For now, here's a thread from a bit over five years ago that shows Oji's barkiness, bounciness and a bit of growliness. His behavior is, I think, more intense today in terms of repetitive bouncing and barking; and he does this spinning around in the direction that I point.

 
For now, here's a thread from a bit over five years ago that shows Oji's barkiness, bounciness and a bit of growliness. His behavior is, I think, more intense today in terms of repetitive bouncing and barking; and he does this spinning around in the direction that I point.
Yeah, that's the "pushing" gene, as I call it. ("gimme, gimme, I want it") Then I just added discipline to use her push, but with self control, then she gets what she wants, so she thinks she's training me. LOL. It's hard to outsmart these dogs... Basically, she would do the wild jumping like you showed Oji doing and I quit moving around with it, then she quits moving around but still demanding it. I started off backing away to encourage her to keep pushing me, backing into a wall or a tree so she felt she cornered me. I also got her to realize she would get the tug, but never when jumping wildly, only when doing the "bark & hold", being still & steady and staring at me, not the toy. I had to have it behind my back when starting out because as you can see, she still wants to cheat and grab it from me at first. Then she remembers to go into hold & bark to get the prize.

She looks fantastic! Now she is getting what you are looking for I wonder how long before she tries this tactic in other circumstances. You know what I mean. "Is that chicken!,can I have chicken!!,I'll try all my tricks!" :biggrin:
LOL, if she thought she could she would, but nope! I keep all her pushing & bitey work very isolated to specifics. She's actually really good about food, never allowed to come near the kitchen table when we're eating, doesn't stare or drool, even stands 3 feet from the cat until he finishes eating before going in to check out his bowl. But yeah, she would be the type to take over if given a chance. The manners about staying away from others while eating started from day one. ;)
 
Wow….
What a great job you are doing and without a club!!

Really have to commend you for putting in all the hard work and having such great success.
 
Wow….
What a great job you are doing and without a club!!

Really have to commend you for putting in all the hard work and having such great success.
That means a lot to me. I got this dog because I really thought I could do IGP and just figure it out and work out the details of long distance clubs as it went along. But nobody, but nobody can do this kind of sport without help if they've not done it before. So I alternate between it being OK, and being terribly disappointed in myself and for Asha, who is clearly born to do it. But she doesn't know what she's missing and as long as she's doing something she's happy.
 
You are doing so well with Asha in a lot of different fields and Asha has a life full of fun and challenges! But I do know what you are feeling when you can see the potential in your dog that you are not able to fully use. The reality is that to be able to easily find trainers to help you would mean moving into a more suburban setting and I don't think either you or Asha would find that a good trade off! :eek:
 
Wow, she's beautiful.
@Ravenbird, is she an American Dobie? Luna is European and she only barks very rarely, most of the time it's a warning bark at someone/something else but almost never to demand something. She whines like a champion for sure. One of her best friends is an American Dobie and she barks almost constantly, when she's chasing something, playing, when she wants something. We were really surprised to hear her barking so much because we weren't used to it with Luna. Not sure if it's an American vs. European thing.
 
is she an American Dobie?
She was bred in the U.S., but about 3/4 Euro, 1/4 American. She was bred for working protection sports. LOL, she was born barky and very much loves to push and demand which is a good trait for the sport dogs, but was pretty hard to deal with when she was a puppy.
 
She was bred in the U.S., but about 3/4 Euro, 1/4 American. She was bred for working protection sports. LOL, she was born barky and very much loves to push and demand which is a good trait for the sport dogs, but was pretty hard to deal with when she was a puppy.
The American Dobie must be responsible for the barking then. The Dobie I know barks constantly, it's really funny. One day Luna was annoyed with a Rottie who was trying to play with her but in a very pushy, I'm the alpha way and Luna was having none of it, so after initial growling, she gave her warning bark. The American Dobie's owners jaws fell on the ground, they were like, OMG, is that how she barks? Never heard her before.
That American Dobie is also pretty petite, very subtle, slim legs and head - before we got to know each other well, we actually met them in the park, both 3 months, but she was half of Luna's size. Her owner went: "What's wrong with my dog?", I just said she looks like an American Dobe, which they found out was true. Poor people went into buying a Dobie, totally clueless.
 
It's a personality trait more than a regional one, me thinks.
Could be the particular line she comes from. I remember when we went to pick her up, the owner had about 7 Dobermanns (they primarily do international dog shows), 1 beagle and 1 English bulldog (who served as a nanny for the puppies, which was really hilarious. Whenever they went potty, the bulldog was leading the way, trotting with his bulky body and about 8 little Dobie gangsters running after him with their floppy ears flying behind them). All you could hear was the beagle, the Dobies were like, it's cool, they are strangers but they look OK. Totally quiet.
 
Yeah, that's the "pushing" gene, as I call it. ("gimme, gimme, I want it") Then I just added discipline to use her push, but with self control, then she gets what she wants, so she thinks she's training me. LOL. It's hard to outsmart these dogs... Basically, she would do the wild jumping like you showed Oji doing and I quit moving around with it, then she quits moving around but still demanding it. I started off backing away to encourage her to keep pushing me, backing into a wall or a tree so she felt she cornered me. I also got her to realize she would get the tug, but never when jumping wildly, only when doing the "bark & hold", being still & steady and staring at me, not the toy. I had to have it behind my back when starting out because as you can see, she still wants to cheat and grab it from me at first. Then she remembers to go into hold & bark to get the prize.

Yep, I have few funny stories with the gimme gimme. She loves chewing on the rubber ball and chuckit is her god. She will try to get to the ball like a maniac (she's super high drive and high energy, like a Dobie on speed) and when she has it, sometimes she just want to hold on to it. We used to do few commands like sit or down or heel and give her a reward, where she then forgot she actually has the ball in her mouth. Took her about two sessions to figure out we are fooling her. Her trainer is trying to encourage her to have the basics of protection but she's also fantastic at trailing (must be her passion for food) so that's what we are focusing on. She's still very young and you can see precisely where her puppy brain takes over. We figured out how to show her that if she wants the ball to move, she needs to give it to us but it requires lots of patience - she doesn't respond well to hard training.
 

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