No really he IS purebred - or is he?

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So APPARENTLY
After YEARS of being bred, e/e (recessive red, the gene that makes white German shepherds white) has popped up in Doberman.

Ummmm tell me how SUDDENLY it’s popped up in a COLOUR breeders litter.

Anyway. Apparently the puppy is “purebred” with papers, with Cambria lines, embark tested, the whole Shabam.

NOBODY HAS SEEN THIS COLOUR POP UP BEFORE!

I talked to another breeder, and she said “I think it’s because they were culled”
I don’t believe that

It just seems odd to me that a colour never before seen in the breed, not even from the beginning would suddenly pop up in a litter bred by someone who breeds “ALL COLOURS” including melanistic dogs.

Anyone else buying this?
 
What lab is this e/e tested for? A recessive red gene that makes dogs white? Who is the breeder?
Cambria lines, but how far back?
 
What lab is this e/e tested for? A recessive red gene that makes dogs white? Who is the breeder?
Cambria lines, but how far back?

I wish I new all these answers!

I think he was tested fully with embark, so health and colour tested.

The breeder is a well known colour breeder, but I’m not sure what litter this puppy came from so I don’t know full pedigree.
If I had to guess, pretty far back.
And she won’t share with me as we’ve gotten into a few arguments before.



And e/e is also known as recessive red.
It’s the gene that makes:
Golden Retrievers Red
Labrador retrievers yellow
And White German Shepherds white.

That’s the best way I can describe it in layman’s terms.

The dog in question is the same colour as a golden retriever so the pheomelanin is more reddish then white or yellow.
 
I wish I new all these answers!

I think he was tested fully with embark, so health and colour tested.

The breeder is a well known colour breeder, but I’m not sure what litter this puppy came from so I don’t know full pedigree.
If I had to guess, pretty far back.
And she won’t share with me as we’ve gotten into a few arguments before.

By white, do you mean Albino with a pink nose/blue eyes?
If they're breeding specifically for albino and/or melanistic dogs, they're fools and I wouldn't put it passed someone like that
to introduce a white shepherd dog to their greeding program with a Z factor or albino hoping for all albino litters. Hence the introduction of the e/e possibly.
 
Okay so just found out something new.

The breeder who owns him actually imported him from the Philippines.
Sooo that makes me even more suspicious. But that’s just me.
 
By white, do you mean Albino with a pink nose/blue eyes?
If they're breeding specifically for albino and/or melanistic dogs, they're fools and I wouldn't put it passed someone like that
to introduce a white shepherd dog to their greeding program with a Z factor or albino hoping for all albino litters. Hence the introduction of the e/e possibly.

No I mean white as in e/e.
But the dog isn’t white it’s what I’d considered red or “golden”

But if you read above, they actually imported the dog so that made me even more suspicious.
 
Do you have any pics? It sounded like an albino Doberman at first, but you say it’s coloured like a Golden Retriever?

Definitely not Albino. The dog came back e/e which is considered recessive red.
It’s the gene that makes Golden’s their red colour.

It’s hard to grasp if you’re not super familiar with genetics but trying to describe as best I can.

I can link the Facebook if that’s allowed!
 
Fairly well schooled in Doberman color genetics but know nothing about Goldens.

Echo is a Black /carries red and bred to a Dominant black hence an all black litter.
 
Fairly well schooled in Doberman color genetics but know nothing about Goldens.

Echo is a Black /carries red and bred to a Dominant black hence an all black litter.

Okay cool, That helps a lot!

I always try to explain the best I can but sometimes don’t do the best!

So
e/e is a gene also known as recessive red.
This gene is considered a masking gene meaning it’s phenotypically covers the dogs true colour. So it’s like throwing a white sheet over a black couch.
The couch is still technically black but it now looks white.

e/e can look different dependent on its intensity.
So in German Shepherds e/e looks white
In yellow labs e/e looks blonde, and in Golden retrievers e/e looks reddish.

e/e dogs still have dark eye rims and leathers unless they’re masking liver/brown/red in which case their leathers and eyerims are chocolate

Dobermans are not known to have e/e In the breed. So if you were to look at their genetics the E locus would be E/E meaning full colour.
e/e is a recessive gene.
So it technically can come from two full colour parents, but also means that it’s not just going to hide in a breed for this many years.

The dog in question tested as e/e
Comes from the Philippines and Comes from coloured parents.

Personally I think the fact that it’s an imported dog makes the colour even more questionable. And embark is good, but after a few generations (I think 7) a dog will come back pure even if they’re mixed.

The dogs conformation is really odd too.
 
Doesn't really even look like a Doberman, more like a Pharaoh Hound. I don't think this does anything to help our breed, I am not a fan! :thumbdown:

I agree, like it would be one thing if the dog had good conformation and was a prime example of the breed. But it doesn’t even look like the breed!
 
Their conformation hurts to look at and the puppies look like they have bloated wormy bellies. :(
 

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