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purina dogs

i agree adults need more of the correct types of protein but numerous sites say no more the 30 in adult dobbies and 24-26 for puppies. i dont use science diet but i do believe when a large company publishes data like that and then i cross check it with others. its a liability ,especially nowadays, to make false statements like that. and to say that an active animal will just "use up the protein" is an ignorant statement.
 
And to assume that high protein is super bad for dobermans like you stated in post #14 is also ignorant due to the fact that not all dobermans are 100% the same in terms of nutritional needs.

My point is to just look at your dog as an individual and decide what he/she needs for their body to function accordingly. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with high protein being bad for puppies.

Before anything else gets taken out of context I will end it here on my half. Wish you the best.
 
i feed purina pro plan ( focus ) salmon for sensitive tummy ace does well on this one only poops 2 3 times a day and he loves it .
Pro Plan is the only Purina product I would even consider.

I looked at Orijen when I was at Petco last week and it's $105 for a 28# bag. :eek:
 
$105?! Dang. Do you remember which one you were looking at? I think I paid $68 for the original when I had my other dog. But that was a year ago. Plan to switch back to it once my guys is older and hopefully if/when they figure out the whole pea and lentil thing and DCM.
 
JanS i have tried a few other foods with Ace. he is very much like Oh Little OJI. with never normal pooh first of the morning is good but by end of day a bit soft sometime cow patty this has worked the best so far not to mention he is a go go go dog i have to take all toys and myself out of the house for him to stop and rest..
 
JanS i have tried a few other foods with Ace. he is very much like Oh Little OJI. with never normal pooh first of the morning is good but by end of day a bit soft sometime cow patty this has worked the best so far not to mention he is a go go go dog i have to take all toys and myself out of the house for him to stop and rest..
They’re just tireless aren’t they lol. Can you try adding ground eggshell to help harden the stool? May need to add it to every meal but better than dealing with cow patties.
 
Dogs need Fat and Protein. Fat to burn as energy and Protein to repair the body.
The problem with dog and other pet food today, such as Kibble and Canned (Less of course with some) is that the protein listed is NOT all from Named Meats. A Named Meat will be the 1st and 2nd listed (other than Orijen) ingredient. Then everything after are lots of Grains (plant ingredients) which are used to boost Protein levels.
Also pet foods today are mostly 40-60% Carbs. Manufactures need a starch to hold the Kibble together. The problem with this is Starch=Carbs=SUGAR!

 
When the pups were under a year old I was feeding Orijen and it was $98. for 25lbs. Then they opened the new plant in Ky and changed the formula and my two wouldn’t eat it. It went up to $105. for a 23lb bag. They increased the price and reduced the pounds of the bag.
Maybe the first original bags were 28lbs, I can’t remember except that they reduced the size and upped the price. :cus:
 
So I just got back from Petco and noticed that the price is high there for Orijen. Some bags over $100 (six fish/regional red). It used to be around $80 for six fish at my family owned shop. Ill go by there tomorrow.

On a side note- a Petco employee tried talking me into their new food brand "Whole Hearted." I was not impressed. However, he told me Petco is starting to get rid of certain foods with artificial ingredients. My store never sold Orijen. He told me that because they are getting rid of the crappier foods, Orijen decided to put their foods in the stores. Idk how true that is but I digress.. However, brands (like Purina) may just change the recipe to stay on the shelves. Who knows. Need to do more research.

http://veterinarynews.dvm360.com/petco-bans-pet-food-and-treats-with-artificial-ingredients
 
Exercise plays a large part in this.
My pups consume 4lbs each of raw per day, sometimes more. They lead an extremely active lifestyle that I find myself adjusting amounts to accommodate the activity. Since the dog bite issue and resulting hospitalization and other factors, I have not been as active with them as I was prior. They still get at least 4hrs a day of physical activity, whether it be swimming, running, jumps and training so a higher protein is needed for them. I guess I need to up their food just a little bit because Bacall is 74# and Bogie has dropped to 76.4#. They do not look skinny by any means. More fit is my opinion while other people think they look too lean. Now of course these people that say this have dogs that are way overweight so I can’t take their opinions as fact. Doc says they look perfect. Increased protein amounts is necessary for their activity level.
 
I bet your dogs are healthy as can be! Better to be lean than heavy. And I agree with you. Many average dog owners would probably say they are skinny but their opinions really should be taken with a grain of salt.

I was wondering also... With raw diets, the protein percentage must be higher than that of a kibble diet, no? Less fats and carbs for sure. Yet, these raw diets seem to be best for our furbabies. Wondering if processing makes any difference to quality of the protein and related health issues from "high" protein?
 
I would say to watch your Doberman and see what he is showing you....

Ragnar exercises/trains at least 2-3hrs a day with plenty of water throughout the day.

I tried the Extreme Athlete with 32% protein and Ragnar’s urine was burning my grass and he got a UTI.

I then went to 4Health Performance 30% protein and he did very well for about 5months but then all of a sudden was pooping consistent cow patty’s.

I switched to what my breeder recommended at 26% with occasional raw egg and yogurt and his poops are solid with no burning the grass.

Gonna watch his weight and see if it changes.
 
Wondering if processing makes any difference to quality of the protein and related health issues from "high" protein?
When you start removing the moisture from raw food the protein levels increase. Protein and other nutrients are measured in dry matter. Protein is an absolute must in their diet and higher amounts of protein if they are very active. They say 44% of the protein they eat goes to their skin and hair coat. Protein is the building blocks of muscles, organs, skin, hair and joints. Dogs do not need carbohydrates but dry dog food has carbs in it for binders of the food. High protein from dry kibble is not good if the dog is not an active one. If they lay around and only get minimal exercise, they are most likely overweight from eating all the carbs in dry dog food and not getting sufficient exercise to burn it off. Lean raw cuts of meats are great sources of usable protein for dogs. These two have really thrived on the raw. They have muscle tone, shiny coats and an abundance of energy (too much energy on occasion lol).
I use a good powdered supplement as well from Nature’s Farmacy. It’s a complete formula that has probiotics, joint care, omegas, phytoplankton, green lipped muscles for joints and cognitive care. They get raw eggs with their meal and I will substitute the raw egg with sardines a couple to 3xs a week. They have voracious appetites.
 
I also use purina pro plan large puppy for my dobbie and she pooped like 2-3x daily but when I changed it into raw food (i choose chicken's breast and bit of rice).. Her poop where the same consistency but less frequent like 1x per day..

Does that mean... All of purina food is not absorbable.... Idont know...
 
I also use purina pro plan large puppy for my dobbie and she pooped like 2-3x daily but when I changed it into raw food (i choose chicken's breast and bit of rice).. Her poop where the same consistency but less frequent like 1x per day..

Does that mean... All of purina food is not absorbable.... Idont know...
If you feed raw, you need to make sure you are giving the right ratios of muscle meat, organ meat and bone. It’s important to research raw feeding so that your dobe receives the amounts of each that he/she needs to flourish and maintain optimum health. A variety of meat proteins is recommended.
 
If you feed raw, you need to make sure you are giving the right ratios of muscle meat, organ meat and bone. It’s important to research raw feeding so that your dobe receives the amounts of each that he/she needs to flourish and maintain optimum health. A variety of meat proteins is recommended.

Is a bit difficult than I think it would be, so in other words its better to stick to the dry food..
Being the frequency of the poop is a lot more than in raw, does it mean something?
 
Is a bit difficult than I think it would be, so in other words its better to stick to the dry food..
Being the frequency of the poop is a lot more than in raw, does it mean something?
It’s the fillers in the food that are passed as waste with kibble. I feed raw but I did my research on feeding raw to make sure my twins were getting the correct amount of meat proteins, organ and bone as well as a bit of fruit and vegetables. Their poop is very small on raw because there are not additives. Most kibble (dry food) produces larger poop.
 
It’s the fillers in the food that are passed as waste with kibble. I feed raw but I did my research on feeding raw to make sure my twins were getting the correct amount of meat proteins, organ and bone as well as a bit of fruit and vegetables. Their poop is very small on raw because there are not additives. Most kibble (dry food) produces larger poop.

And we get complete blood panels done yearly to see what’s going on.
 

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