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Breeder and COI levels

Just now seeing this, @Doberman Gang both your dogs are so good, and @My2Girls that Shadow is gorgeous! Question, if I want working lines and let the breeder know I don't want the high end drive puppy of the litter, but do want some, how accurate do the puppy tests predict this? I feel like the working lines will provide me with the ability to bring it out in training, but not be saddled with a dog that is more drive than I want.
I believe Laural does a great job matching her puppies with owners. I have Shadow’s puppy aptitude test (Volhard) it’s right on the money. Shadow was born on 7/2 and the test was done 8/17. She is high energy but can settle. I also have an older dobie so their playing probably has a lot to do with her tiring out along with all the exercise. I know Shadow is capable of doing much more than what I’m doing with her - she’s a family pet so she’s mostly involved in all the activities we do.
 
4CEDCFD1-A81E-4078-8918-858B986694E8.jpeg Shadow is also a great calming dog for my older stressed out/high anxiety dobie. Here she is trying to calm Princess. We went on vaca and Princess has a stressful time driving long distances. So Shadow will put her head over P.
 
Just now seeing this, @Doberman Gang both your dogs are so good, and @My2Girls that Shadow is gorgeous! Question, if I want working lines and let the breeder know I don't want the high end drive puppy of the litter, but do want some, how accurate do the puppy tests predict this? I feel like the working lines will provide me with the ability to bring it out in training, but not be saddled with a dog that is more drive than I want.

I would say they're pretty accurate, especially for someone who knows the breed and what to look for. If a breeder hasn't had many dogs returned to them because they were not what the family wanted, it's a good sign they're being placed correctly. I read through it (Volhard puppy aptitude test) when Rubie was a puppy and I've refreshed my memory on the test since. I believe everything that she displayed as a puppy is still very relevant to her as an adult; obviously with more training behind it but essentially the same personality.
 
Thanks for your reply, @My2Girls I really like your confidence in Laural. I want to work and title my future dobe, in the basics and fun stuff. I have been watching my friend title her Dutch Shepherd and going to classes to watch her work and to a few of her shows when she earns her titles. Nosework is the most fun, and the Dutchie is fabulous & fast at it. I'm not sure I could do IPO, but I do want to at least get a BH, so I want a dog capable and as I use to say riding horses: I'd rather pull than push, meaning I'd rather rein in the energy than not have enough.
 
I read through it (Volhard puppy aptitude test)

I read though it just last week. I'm really wanting to do all my homework before making a decision! I'm thinking I would have better fit with a lower drive working dog than a higher drive show-bred dog, if that makes sense.

Back to the original posters question, I have been surfing breeder websites for several months now, still finding new ones through this group, but as others have mentioned, websites are sadly not updated, most are using facebook. Which makes it really hard to find lists of tests that they do, or what dogs they currently have or what breeding plans they have. So then it gets down to emailing and waiting on replies.
 
I read though it just last week. I'm really wanting to do all my homework before making a decision! I'm thinking I would have better fit with a lower drive working dog than a higher drive show-bred dog, if that makes sense.

Back to the original posters question, I have been surfing breeder websites for several months now, still finding new ones through this group, but as others have mentioned, websites are sadly not updated, most are using facebook. Which makes it really hard to find lists of tests that they do, or what dogs they currently have or what breeding plans they have. So then it gets down to emailing and waiting on replies.
Laural doesn’t do too much on the web (basic presence) and has a basic FB page and the FB page is a closed group and relatively new.
 
Just now seeing this, @Doberman Gang both your dogs are so good, and @My2Girls that Shadow is gorgeous! Question, if I want working lines and let the breeder know I don't want the high end drive puppy of the litter, but do want some, how accurate do the puppy tests predict this? I feel like the working lines will provide me with the ability to bring it out in training, but not be saddled with a dog that is more drive than I want.
Most working line breed dogs will have more drive, more hardness and better nerve than what you would get from a showline breed Doberman. If you talk with the breeder they should be able to steer you in the right direction and set you up with the right puppy for you. Just remember many times they may hold puppies back for serious working homes if they don’t feel like they will fit right with a certain family, so make sure you are clear about what you are looking for.
 
many times they may hold puppies back for serious working homes if they don’t feel like they will fit right with a certain family, so make sure you are clear about what you are looking for.
INDEED. I have emailed a few and all my intentions are clear. I really don't want the IPO3 prospect! But I want a hard dog more than a soft dog. Not remembering at the moment if you saw my post titled Old Memories and Working Pedigrees, but the dog I had years ago was to me the perfect dog (but we all say that, right?) Now in the days of internets I found her pedigree and posted it there if you want to see it. The top half of 5 generations is 31 dogs and 20 were IPO3. Her bottom half just had couple. But it gave me confidence that what I saw in this dog was drive and eagerness and the knowledge that yes indeed I can deal with the personality. I DO have BH as a goal, and IPO, maybe, only if it fits us both. But in the meantime, growing up together would be CD, CGC, nose work, obedience maybe rally. In my emails I've said this all to the breeders, because I really want a perfect fit, not too hot and not too cold, said Goldilocks...
 
INDEED. I have emailed a few and all my intentions are clear. I really don't want the IPO3 prospect! But I want a hard dog more than a soft dog. Not remembering at the moment if you saw my post titled Old Memories and Working Pedigrees, but the dog I had years ago was to me the perfect dog (but we all say that, right?) Now in the days of internets I found her pedigree and posted it there if you want to see it. The top half of 5 generations is 31 dogs and 20 were IPO3. Her bottom half just had couple. But it gave me confidence that what I saw in this dog was drive and eagerness and the knowledge that yes indeed I can deal with the personality. I DO have BH as a goal, and IPO, maybe, only if it fits us both. But in the meantime, growing up together would be CD, CGC, nose work, obedience maybe rally. In my emails I've said this all to the breeders, because I really want a perfect fit, not too hot and not too cold, said Goldilocks...
Did you contact Masaya’s Dobermans? She is going to have ba couple of really nice breedings both have ancestry that goes back to some of the stuff you posted in your pedigree.
 
A lot of good stuff on the Masaya website. I thought this was impressive- kinda like the attitude in Germany; if they can’t perform, then they do not need to be bred.

“All pet puppies will be sold with limited registration. Full registration can be obtained at no additional charge upon obtaining a working title such as, but not limited to, an AKC obed/agility title, Schutzhund tilte, Search and Rescue certificate, therapy certificate, etc.”
 
It's interesting that you mention South Paw Dobermans. I just found them online the other night as I poked around. No offense, but I was not impressed, overall.
Curious as to what you were not impressed with? Still feel the same way
? Are there any other breeders out there producing COI levels consistently under 30? Seems she is producing lower and lower numbers. She had an entire litter that was at 24 and a pairing that should now produce close to 18!!!!!!! Thats serious progress.
 
Curious as to what you were not impressed with? Still feel the same way
? Are there any other breeders out there producing COI levels consistently under 30? Seems she is producing lower and lower numbers. She had an entire litter that was at 24 and a pairing that should now produce close to 18!!!!!!! Thats serious progress.
You know? I just looked at them again with a fresh and objective eye. While I don't find their Dobes to be, overall, that impressive looking, they're not bad either. I'm sure with some fancy photography they could look more wow. If all those health test results are real and accurate, that's a big plus. I don't know about things like the skin testing "clear," but yeah. I noticed also that it seems only one of the females have hip and elbow test results. I didn't see any working or confo. titles on their Dobes. I appreciate the link to the Embark test results for each of their Dobes.
 
Curious as to what you were not impressed with? Still feel the same way
? Are there any other breeders out there producing COI levels consistently under 30? Seems she is producing lower and lower numbers. She had an entire litter that was at 24 and a pairing that should now produce close to 18!!!!!!! Thats serious progress.
For me there is a lot more to breeding dobermans than just health testing or posting tons of info on health testing. It is good if there are testing and breeding dogs to create healthier animals but what are the temperament of the dogs being breed? This is very important if you care about what the breed was originally breed for.
The next thing is longevity in the lineage, how old did the parents, grand parents ect... live to be. This might be one of the most important things to consider when looking at breeding.
I personally would not buy from a breeder that is not working there dogs in what they were breed for, No matter how much health testing they We’re doing. If they are producing shy or nervy dogs they are doing the breed a disservice.
 
I went to look at that website again and what @Doberman Gang said ^^^. Way too many bitches and dogs, none have titles that I can see. This looks like a breed-for-profit place with Embark tests. Not a dedicated breeder who shows or trials her dogs to prove temperament and skills. No training to speak of, much less titles. Anyone can get an Embark test, not everyone can train & title. A reputable breeder should do both.
 

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