Aria Dobermans - Opinion

[Gelcoater]

Just so I understand: Which message are you saying was perfectly stated, Gel?

Everything he said.
He worded it differently than I would have but the message would have been the same.

 

[Kaiser2016]

When I bought my first Dobermann in the 70's he was classed as a Red with Rust markings. My female which I got in 2004 was a Fawn with Rust markings.
I see the blacks listed as Black and Tans.
My two pups I bought in 2016 were listed as Red and Rust.
Why do I see the reds advertised as brown, chocolate etc. with tan markings.
Is there not a standard for the colors?

I think for black Dobes the Euro version is called Black and Rust, whereas the American version is called Black and Tan. I was confused about that too when we first started looking.

The reds seems to have so much variation in shade that I would want to call them brown.

 

[Tropicalbri's]

I think for black Dobes the Euro version is called Black and Rust,

From the early 70's when I started looking at dobes they referred to it as Black and Rust in the US. Rocky was also called Red and Rust and he was a full Euro.
I have only heard brown and chocolate in the last decade.
When I hear Black and Tan my first vision is a coon hound or other hound.
Also when I hear the term chocolate a lab immediately comes to mind as that is what they are called. I worked as a Vet Tech for 28+ yrs. and during all that time dobies were never referred to as brown, chocolate or tan markings.

 

[Rits]

As for the markings - that's a good question. I'm actually heading over on Saturday to take a look at the pups, so I'll have a better idea of how / where they're raised. And can meet the parents.

I wouldn't even go if I were you. All puppers are cute and it will be hard to resist taking one home. All the red flags makes it not even worth wasting your time to see, imo. Pursue others instead.

 

[Tropicalbri's]

All puppers are cute and it will be hard to resist taking one home.

I think that is what a lot of less than stellar breeders depend on. Once you see the pups you are hooked and feel like you HAVE to take it because in your mind it needs to be rescued.

 

[Gelcoater]

I wouldn't even go if I were you. All puppers are cute and it will be hard to resist taking one home. All the red flags makes it not even worth wasting your time to see, imo. Pursue others instead.

Agreed.

Where's @JanS

I think her girl is from Texas.

 

[JanS]

Yes, my girl is from Texas but she was a one time breeding before her parents were altered.

I really haven't added to this thread because I agree that I'd move on from this breeder and look into someone else.

 

[Kibbie17]

Yeah. The overall consensus is overwhelming to just move on, so I'll move on. I spoke to Linda from Horizon Dobermans today, whom I've actually heard good things on a few forums. I got a good vibe from her. Going to visit in Houston tomorrow.

 

[GennyB]

I think for black Dobes the Euro version is called Black and Rust, whereas the American version is called Black and Tan. I was confused about that too

Actually the standard for both is rust.
From DPCA:
COLOR AND MARKINGS
Allowed Colors: Black, red, blue, and fawn (Isabella). Markings : Rust, sharply defined, appearing above each eye and on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet, and below tail. White patch on chest, not exceeding 1/2 square inch, permissible. Disqualifying Fault : Dogs not of an allowed color.

 

[Tropicalbri's]

Actually the standard for both is rust.
From DPCA:
COLOR AND MARKINGS
Allowed Colors: Black, red, blue, and fawn (Isabella). Markings : Rust, sharply defined, appearing above each eye and on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet, and below tail. White patch on chest, not exceeding 1/2 square inch, permissible. Disqualifying Fault : Dogs not of an allowed color.

Thank you, that is what I thought and had always heard.

 

[Poppy]

Im not going to comment on anything else but I am not a fan of the conformation of the adults. I agree to move on to another breeder.

 

[Viemarangelrock]

In EU Reds are known as Browns. Never heard of chocolate

Yes, here in Europe we call the reds, brown or chocolate. Personally, I don't call them chocolate...to me that sounds like lab colouring. But yes I call them brown. When on here I say red. Lol

The Kennel Club


Colour
Definite black, brown, blue or fawn (Isabella) only, with rust red markings. Markings to be sharply defined, appearing above each eye, on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet and below tail. White markings of any kind highly undesirable.

 

[GennyB]

Yes, here in Europe we call the reds, brown or chocolate. Personally, I don't call them chocolate...to me that sounds like lab colouring. But yes I call them brown. When on here I say red. Lol

The Kennel Club


Colour
Definite black, brown, blue or fawn (Isabella) only, with rust red markings. Markings to be sharply defined, appearing above each eye, on muzzle, throat and forechest, on all legs and feet and below tail. White markings of any kind highly undesirable.

It is interesting to me that the euros do seem to be brown and more consistent in color. It seems American dobes can be anywhere from almost a true red to a chocolate brown. Just look at @JanS girl Della, she is closer to red. I would never think to call her brown. Yet @Archer has dogs that are much closer to brown.

 

[LifeofRubie]

Yeah. The overall consensus is overwhelming to just move on, so I'll move on. I spoke to Linda from Horizon Dobermans today, whom I've actually heard good things on a few forums. I got a good vibe from her. Going to visit in Houston tomorrow.

Much more promising looking! I see she's used some of the same lineage in past litters that Rubie has.

 

[Archer]

I would avoid this breeder for the reasons listed above. Yovu say you are new to this breed and I am glad you are doing your research.

I know Linda George (Horizon) personally. She is a lovely person and a phenomenal breeder. A friend of mine has two Horizon dogs. Strongly recommend her and her dogs

 

[Archer]

It is interesting to me that the euros do seem to be brown and more consistent in color. It seems American dobes can be anywhere from almost a true red to a chocolate brown. Just look at @JanS girl Della, she is closer to red. I would never think to call her brown. Yet @Archer has dogs that are much closer to brown.

My reds are more brown than anything, but are a deep mahogany red. It is normal to have the variance in color tone in the reds. They also can get sun bleached.

 

[GennyB]

They also can get sun bleached.

Ahh yes, that's true. I had forgotten that from my red boy. He coat color would change in the summer. The little river rat loved to spend his time running the beaches along (or in) the water. He was also my #1 sunbather. You could always find find out in the middle of the yard soaking up some rays.