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Is your dog too skinny? Wanna put some weight on him?

Discussion in 'K9 Nutritional Care' started by VonDoom, Apr 18, 2009.

  1. VonDoom
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    Is you do to skinny? wanna put some weight on them? ever wounder how the euro dog get so big? well here's my secrets :4000: ,my tricks of the trade for you passed down to me many moons ago lol :D

    AUSTRALIAN SATIN BALLS
    .... for weight gain ....

    4.53kg Hamburger Meat
    567grams Wheat Germ
    1 large box of Oatmeal [uncooked]
    340 grams of Sanitarium Weetbix [small box]
    1¼ cups Vegetable Oil
    10 eggs [boiled in shell for 30 seconds]
    10 envelopes of unflavoured Gelatin
    1¼ cups unflavoured Molasses [also known as Treacle]
    2 teaspoons Kelp
    1 cup of ground Flax Seed
    A pinch of salt
    Garlic to taste

    Mix all ingredients together well, much like a meat-loaf, then put into separate freezer bags and freeze, thawing out as needed. It puts weight on in a very short time, not to mention the gloss in their coat. You can use it every day when they have a show to do and it does not produce diarrhoea. It can be fed alone or with kibble.

    Satin Balls are a total canine diet. They can be feed by themself, or as a supplement.



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    HEALTHY WEIGHT GAIN MIX
    (MY PERSONAL FAVORITE)

    1 pint whole fat Cottage Cheese
    1 lb turkey (or any other ground meat) burger (raw)
    2-3 eggs - boiled in the shell for 30 seconds*
    2 tablespoons Flax Seed or Olive oil
    1 can sardines or tuna fish

    It is full of protein, essential fatty acids and digestive enzymes.

    *Boiling the eggs for 30 seconds denature the whites and leave the benefits of the yolks intact.


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    FATTENING TREATS

    Doggie Peanut Cheese Balls

    1 dozen hard boiled eggs, chopped
    1 lb jar crunchy peanut butter
    1 container of Quaker Oatmeal
    2 cups of evaporated milk, (Don't dilute!!)
    1 jar wheat germ
    1 lb hamburger
    8oz. package cream cheese
    1 envelope Knox Gelatin Joint Complex, (unflavoured)

    In one bowl, pour the evaporated milk over the oatmeal and put aside. Go have a cup of coffee, while you wait for oats to absorb the liquid!

    In a second Large Bowl, place all the other ingredients. Start mixing together, hands work best. Add the oatmeal and evaporated milk mixture, and mix again. When thoroughly blended, form into meatball sized treats, layering in a plastic freezer container. Freeze until needed. Remove a few at a time, allow to thaw, and feed as fattening snacks!


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    FATTEN 'EM UP QUICK MEATLOAF

    Note: This requires a huge pot for mixing! Makes a two week supply for one dog.

    1 dozen hard boiled eggs, chopped
    10 lbs of inexpensive hamburger meat
    20 oz Jar of Wheat Germ
    1 canister of Knox Gelatin, joint complex, (Knox Unflavoured NutraJoint Powder 5.5oz)
    1 large box of Total breakfast cereal [Australians use 340 grams of Sanitarium Weetbix]
    2 x 1 lb boxes of Quaker oatmeal, (the kind you cook)
    1½ cups Canola Oil
    12 oz jar of unsulfered Molasses
    ¼ tsp salt
    1 heaping teaspoon minced Garlic, (jarred variety or fresh, NOT dried)
    Box of 1qt Freezer bags

    Just dump all into huge pot and dig in. It takes some effort, and you will be up to your elbows, but you want to mix thoroughly.
    Separate into 14 freezer bags, gently squeezing out the air before sealing. Flatten out the bags, (this will allow for a quicker thaw period), and lay flat on a freezer shelf.
    Feed one packet each day, half in morning, half in evening. Breaking up into chunks, or rolling into meatballs.




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    WEIGHT BOOSTER

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    10 eggs
    *

    10 packs gelatin
    *

    12 oz. molasses
    *

    2 boxes of shredded wheat cereal, crushed
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    1 jar wheat germ
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    5 cups melted lard
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    1 jar peanut butter

    Mix with your hands. Roll into balls. Keep all unused in the freezer. Take one meat ball (per dog) out every morning and allow to thaw for evening meal.



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    TIPS

    For skinny dogs, adding avocados helps to put on pounds and mix in a little bit of alfalfa (which can be found at most health food stores) into their meals.

    Try some of these suggestions to tempt the appetite:

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    Eggs lightly scrambled in butter and adding yoghurt or cream cheese
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    Sautéed chicken liver in butter
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    Hard boiled eggs
    *

    Cooked or boiled hamburger, mixed with grated or parmesan cheese
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    Baby foods, such as pureed meats
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    Homemade chicken soup with noodles
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    Canned salmon or sardines
    *

    Macaroni and cheese with minced beef or sausage
    *

    Plain yoghurt with pureed liver, mix well
    *

    Canned chicken chunks
    *

    Bites from your own plate


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    Herbal Supplement Blend

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    1 ounce each alfalfa; marshmallow root; comfrey; mullein leaves; dandelion root; nettles; parsley
    * 2 ounces each: burdock root or seed; chamomile; horsetail; oat straw; red clover; rose hips; rosemary; slippery elm bark; thyme
    * ¼ ounce each catnip; fennel seeds; garlic powder
    * 1 dash cayenne pepper

    If using cut and sifted herbs, slenderise to a coarse powder. Mix with already-powdered herbs, and store in a dark jar in refrigerator or cool place.

    To use for dogs: give 1 tablespoon to 1 cup per day, depending on the size of the dog.

    Mix herb powder with food or sprinkle it on top. This is only a mineral and preventive medicinal supplement.

    For pregnant or nursing pets, add to the above:
    ½ ounce each: chickweed; comfrey; milk thistle; raspberry leaf

    The Comfrey is in addition to the amount used in the basic recipe.



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    and before I forget most of these recipes will give your dog the runs for the first day or 2 due to the fatty contents so make sure they get enough water
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    And you say you use kibble.. hmmmm :) lol!
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    A word of caution: Comfrey should only be taken internally in moderation if at all. This reference comes from 'The Complete Book of Herbs' A practical guide to growing & using herbs, by Lesley Bremness (published by Viking Studio Books 1998)
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    Wow, how cool. I needed these after my girls had parvo & needed fast fattening up. Now I need weight LOSS recipes 'cause Mommy keeps them a bit chubby. :p
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    Ill try it... Rome could use some extra meat on his bones...lol
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    These recipe's have been around for a while... here it is in ounces and pounds for those of us that are kg challenged... lol

    Here are more of the "Satin Balls" recipes.

    This recipe is for dogs who desperately need calories and need to put on weight, but who have no appetite. It sounds yucky, but when these are done they are really appealing, even to me.
    In my experience, this is a kind of "last resort and hope" food that many sick dogs will eat.
    Mix all ingredients (like meatballs). I shape them like thick hamburgers rather than balls because they store easier in the freezer and thaw faster. Freeze in serving portion size. Nothing is cooked -- all ingredients are uncooked RAW and "Satin Balls" are served raw.

    This recipe for Little Dogs (1/10 of full recipe) would be a good test to see if your dog will eat them before you make the substantial investment in ingredients of the half or full size recipe. See Notes below about the Total cereal, oats, wheat germ and vegetable oil.

    Satin Balls for Little Dogs -- or to try out recipe on your dog to see if he will eat it.

    1 lb cheap hamburger (for high fat %)
    1 and 1/3 cups Total cereal
    1 and 1/2 cups uncooked oatmeal
    1 raw egg
    6 Tablespoons wheat germ
    1 package Knox unflavored gelatin
    2 Tablespoons vegetable oil
    2 Tablespoons unsulphered molasses
    Pinch of salt

    Satin Balls Half Recipe -- recommended amount to mix up

    5 lbs cheap hamburger (for high fat %)
    1/2 large box Total cereal (about 6 cups cereal)
    1/2 large box uncooked oatmeal (about 7.5 cups oats)
    5 raw eggs
    1/2 of 15oz jar wheat germ (about 2 cups)
    5 packages Knox unflavored gelatin
    5/8 cup vegetable oil (this is pretty close to 2/3 cup)
    5/8 cup unsulphered molasses
    pinch of salt

    The half recipe, using hamburger that is 20% fat calories, has 12,400 calories. The last batch I made ended up making 22 patties, so each has about 560 calories.


    I find that making the half recipe is so much easier that it is worth doing even though you have half-boxes of things around for awhile and have to mix it up twice as often. The disadvantage of the full recipe is the need of a really BIG container and it is very hard work to mix it all up.

    Satin Balls Full Recipe

    10 lbs cheap hamburger (high fat %)
    1 large box Total cereal (about 12 cups cereal)
    1 large box uncooked oatmeal (about 15 cups oats)
    10 raw eggs
    1 15oz jar wheat germ
    10 packages Knox unflavored gelatin
    1 and 1/4 cup vegetable oil
    1 and 1/4 cup unsulphered molasses
    pinch of salt

    Notes:
    "Whole Wheat Total" cereal (blue box) comes in large 1 lb 2 oz size (about 12 cups settled) and a smaller 12 oz size (about 8 cups cereal), which would work in Little Dog or Half Recipe. But in the long run, the large size is more economical. Don't get Raisin Total or Lo Carb Total.

    Uncooked Oatmeal like "Quaker Old Fashioned Oats" and less expensive supermarket house brand, come in large 2 lb 10oz size (15 cups oats) or smaller 18 oz size (about 7 cups oats).

    15oz jar of wheat germ is about 4 cups. Some stores only carry a 12oz jar of wheat germ, which contains about 3 and 1/4 cups of it.

    Vegetable oil -- use a good one. I use grapeseed oil, olive oil would be next best.

    Tip: I don’t break the eggs directly into the pot of stuff. It's possible to get a bad one from the store.



    It is important to stick to the proportions. I gave the recipe to someone whose dog wouldn’t eat, she told me she made them but he wouldn’t eat them. Then she told me what she did to the recipe, changing it so much that it ended up something entirely different (no wonder her dog wouldn't eat it). You need to follow the recipe carefully if you are going to go to the trouble and expense of making it.
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    why are they called satin balls?? and what is comfrey?????
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    hahahaah I do but half kibble and half and half raw :D
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    hrd2gt the person who made it her dogs name was satin lol


    and for dobiemom this may be too rich to be fed to a malnourished dog I would keep it simple for a dog recovering from a sickness
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    Comfrey; latin name Boraginaceae, is an herb which used to be taken internally for all kinds of ailments. Now it is recommended that it only be used externally in poultices. It's common name is 'knit bone' and it's supposed to work wonders on bruses and sprains of the leg. I grow this in my garden mainly as an ornemental so I couldn't attest to any of it's claims. My concern was that in the Herbal Supplement Blend mentioned earlier it was recommended to give this to pregnant and nursing dogs. In my opinion only, I would skip the comfrey in this recipe. A lot of people think that just because it's herbal it can't hurt you and that's not necessairily true. This is an ungraded, unregulated market and some, if not all, herbs do have certain side effects. So it's always best to read and study as much as possible before injesting them. I do grow a lot of herbs for my own personal use. Most of them have side effects if not used with care and in moderation. Not trying to scare anyone off of using them but I would definently not give many of them to a pregnant or nursing dog with developing puppies inside them.
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    Yeah, true. I should say I was told to feed a bland diet the first 3 days after the dogs wee home & keeping EVERYTHING down...then my vet switched us to high calorie/high protein --as much food as could be kept down without vomiting to be fed every 20 minutes.
    I fed lots of foods from the satin ball recipe minus the cereal, adding kibble.

    **** This was for a CRITICALLY thin puppy (5 pounds at 13 weeks).****
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    The whole herb comfrey itself is quite safe in moderation. It is when they started making very concentrated hebal blends that problems arose. If you have no knowledge or experience with herbs you should avoid using them. They are medicinal if used correctly. Best to discuss their use with a Naturopathic{sp.?} Veterinarian first.
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    What is the most important information I should know about comfrey?
    Since the use of comfrey has been associated with serious liver damage, ingestion of comfrey is not recommended. The FDA has issued a warning to consumers that the use of comfrey may present a serious health hazard. Also, the topical application of comfrey preparations to broken skin should be avoided.

    Comfrey has been associated with cases of severe liver damage. Notify your doctor immediately if you develop nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, unusual fatigue, loss of appetite, yellow skin or eyes, itching, dark urine, or clay colored stools. These symptoms may be early signs of liver damage.

    Comfrey has not been evaluated by the FDA for safety, effectiveness, or purity. All potential risks and/or advantages of comfrey may not be known. Additionally, there are no regulated manufacturing standards in place for these compounds. There have been instances where herbal/health supplements have been sold which were contaminated with toxic metals or other drugs. Herbal/health supplements should be purchased from a reliable source to minimize the risk of contamination.


    The best use of comfrey is in composting.....
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    I thought avacados were bad for dogs!?!?

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    Isn't this called "knitbone" as well? Used to fix broken bones/sprains?

    Internal usage of comfrey should be avoided because it contains hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids (PAs). (Note: there are also non-hepatotoxic pyrrolizidine alkaloids.) Use of comfrey can, because of these PAs, lead to veno-occlusive disease (VOD). VOD can in turn lead to liver failure, and comfrey, taken in extreme amounts, has been implicated in at least one death.

    Good call on catching this one MLR!!
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    A friend in Florida has dogs that munch on these all the time - she's a Vet Tec too... so - apparently not....
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    The best thing i always have been using if i need to put weight on a dog is goats milk and it gives the coat a shine too.Goats milk is high in fat but it is well used over here as it lactose negative,ideal for dogs. Boiled chicken is another thing i will use to put weight on though it does stink your kitchen out when your boiling it
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    i thought Avocado is poison ??? or is it just for birds poision???
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    Only in large quantities...

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